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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 22:45:52 GMT
Subject: Re:[CB] Grat bass (and bigger) recorder construction
From: go_oaw
Hunt down the little book on making your own instruments by
Art Benade. (And anything else by Art Benade) It is simple but
you may find some pearls. Oscar
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Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 20:17:19 -0700
From: "Timothy J. Tikker"
Subject: Re: [CB] Truba
>As for the Fluba and tuba family there is this: Balkan Brass Bands play a
family of instruments called "trubas"; yes with an "R". They are very
conical. The whole band plays various sizes of truba. The sound is
distinctive.<
My understanding is that a truba here is simply a rotary-valve Fluegelhorn.
- Tim Tikker
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Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:24:27 -0700
From: Grant Green
Subject: Re: [CB] recordings
At 10:30 PM 5/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> I know that these are requests that aren't necessarily contrabass in
> full nature but i'll ask anyway. Does anyone know any good recordings of
> solos or literature for the following: alto, bass, or contrabass
> flute and alto, bass, contra-alto or contrabass clarinet? If you could
> help me out that'd be helpful! Thanks.
This may not be exactly what you're looking for, but there are two pages in the contrabass discography that may help:
Contrabass and contra-alto clarinets - http://www.contrabass.com/pages/dis-cbcl.html
Bass and contrabass (and lower) flutes - http://www.contrabass.com/pages/dis-cbfl.html
Most of the entries are not *solo* instrument, or really what one would consider the repertoire of the instrument, but are included more as audible examples.
Grant
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Grant Green contrabass.com
Sarrusophones & other Contrabass Winds
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Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:42:01 -0700
From: Grant Green
Subject: Re: [CB] What to call it...
At 09:33 AM 5/2/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Garklein in c'''
If I remember right, "garklein" (also seen as "gar klein" with a space) essentially means "d*mn small".
>Sopranino in f''
>Soprano (descant) in c''
>Alto (treble) in f'
>Tenor in c' - concert pitch
Depending on whether you're talking about Renaissance or Baroque recorders, there is sometimes a "basset" recorder right about here in the listing...
>Bass in f
>Great bass in c
>Contrabass in F
>Subcontrabass in C
>Contra-subcontrabass in F,
>
>So should we instead be calling something 'bass' when
>it is an octave below the alto? Well, we'd better
>just stick to learning the terminology and leave bass
>saxes and contrabass clarinets to transpose alike.
> --Andrew Phillips
For flutes, oboes, and clarinets, the "bass" is pitched only an octave below the soprano, because they leave out the "tenor" and "baritone" designations. In saxophones and sarrusophones, the bass is pitched two octaves lower than the soprano, which seems like a logical and economical distribution of labels. Probably a function of the later creation of the
saxes. When the bass clarinet was created, the only other low clarinet was the basset horn ("basset" = "little bass"), and probably nobody thought of making larger clarinets. The alto flute was originally called the "bass flute in G" - how's that? A bass pitched only a fourth below the soprano.
When Sax came along, he was criticized and ridiculed for the size of some of his instruments (see http://www.contrabass.com/pages/saxcartoon.html for two of the editorial cartoons of his day). Perhaps he came up with the soprano/alto/tenor/bari/bass/contra series in order to avoid calling his lower horns "double sub-contrabass bourdon foghorn saxophone" etc...
Whatever the cause, it would be logical to use a consistent naming scheme (like the saxophone series) with clarinets, flutes, and (if anyone ever gets around to making larger ones) oboes:
Saxes: Soprano
Eb alto
Bb tenor
Eb bari
Bb bass
Eb contra
Flutes:
Soprano
G alto
C tenor (bass)
G or F bari
C bass
(contrabass)
G/F contra
Clarinets:
Soprano
Eb alto
Bb tenor (bass)
Eb bari
("contra-alto")
Bb bass
(contrabass)
Eb contra (octocontra)
That would leave more room at the bottom for the subcontrabasses...
Grant
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Grant Green contrabass.com
Sarrusophones & other Contrabass Winds
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Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 23:15:45 -0700
From: Craig Durham
Subject: Re: [CB] What to call it...
A 'rationalized' nomenclature for clarinets would make more sense. I seem to recall reading that there once was a baritone clarinet (called something else, of course) but it was done in by modern keywork; it was made obsolete by the expanded ranges of modern alto and bass clarinets.
It's odd that strings have escaped scrutiny - look what happened to the violin family. Violin (soprano), viola (alto), 'cello (baritone), string bass (contrabass) -- where's the bass? Or, seeing as 'cello is commonly the 'bass' of the quartet, where are the tenor and baritone voices? Perhaps it was thought at the time that gambas (themselves available in several sizes to confuse things still further) would continue to serve in that role.
Then there are those who refer to a six-string bass guitar tuned EADGBE (vs. the lower BEADGC) as a 'contrabass' guitar... In that regard, has a true contrabass guitar ever been made?
Craig
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From: Chris Crosskey
Subject: RE: [CB] Grat bass (and bigger) recorder construction
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:13:08 +0100
MAny thanks Oscar, I'll start hunting
chrisc
> Hunt down the little book on making your own instruments by
> Art Benade. (And anything else by Art Benade) It is simple but
> you may find some pearls. Oscar
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