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Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 13:46:18 +0000
From: David Bobroff
Subject: [CB] baritones_&_euphoniums
This talk of instrument names, specifically the baritone/euphonium issue
reminds me of a thread from the tubaeuph list from a few years ago. From
an American perspective a euphonium has to be above a certain bore size.
Below that size it is a baritone. It doesn't matter what the shape is or
what type of valves it has or if it is compensating or not. Of course, it
may be that none of the "egg" baritones have a large enough bore size to
qualify under this definition.
As for the Fluba and tuba family there is this: Balkan Brass Bands play a
family of instruments called "trubas"; yes with an "R". They are very
conical. The whole band plays various sizes of truba. The sound is
distinctive.
Cheers,
David Bobroff
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From: "Feodor"
Subject: Re: [CB] baritones_&_euphoniums
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:04:49 -0400
> family of instruments called "trubas"; yes with an "R".
"Truba" is a word for trumpet in many Slavic languages.
Feodor
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Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 07:25:14 -0700
From: "Chuck Guzis"
Subject: Re: [CB] baritones_&_euphoniums
On 5/7/2002, David Bobroff wrote:
>This talk of instrument names, specifically the baritone/euphonium issue
>reminds me of a thread from the tubaeuph list from a few years ago. From
>an American perspective a euphonium has to be above a certain bore size.
>Below that size it is a baritone. It doesn't matter what the shape is or
>what type of valves it has or if it is compensating or not. Of course, it
>may be that none of the "egg" baritones have a large enough bore size to
>qualify under this definition.
>
>As for the Fluba and tuba family there is this: Balkan Brass Bands play a
>family of instruments called "trubas"; yes with an "R". They are very
>conical. The whole band plays various sizes of truba. The sound is
>distinctive.
It's not bore size that differentiates a euphonium from a baritone, even from an American perspective; it's that euphonia are more conical than baritones. Dave Werden has suggested a simple baritone/euphonium test: if the tuning slide can be reversed, it's a baritone.
Indeed, there are American "euphonia" that have smaller bore sizes (as measured at the 2nd valve) than many oval tenor horns, simply because the oval tenor horns universally use rotary valves and place them farther downstream from the mouthpiece (i.e. a longer leadpipe) than their piston-valved American cousins.
Regardless of bore size or profile, there are many well-educated band directors to whom the instruments in question are all "baritones". This is reflected on a lot of band music, where the part is marked "Baritone" regardless of the intended instrument.
Dave Werden has a great article on the whole subject on his site:
http://www.dwerden.com
The Balkan "truba" seems to refer to various instruments; e.g. flugelhorns; oval tenor/baritone horns, and bass/contrabass helicons. Could it be that "truba" is simply a generic term for a conical valved brass instrument?
Best regards,
Chuck
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From: Francis Firth
Subject: [CB] Record Review
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:42:00 +0100
Dear all,
I thought that you might be interested to hear about this CD which I acquired recently over the web from www.rootsworld.com . It is Spår by Göran Månson and Sven Åberg on the Earup label, Ear011.
This is an album of Swedish folk music played on recorders (and one or two 'ethnic' flutes) and string instruments of various sorts. It is excellently played and well worth hearing but its main interest in this forum is to be found on tracks 2., Fädans, which is played on tunemandora, bowharp and subcontrabass recorder and 10., Vals efter Gössa-Anders, which is played on tunemandora and subcontrabass recorder. In the former the recorder has the tune and in the latter the accompaniment and in the latter the lower notes are used and it is accordingly more difficult to pick out. It sounds quite strongly so perhaps it is a Paetzold instrument although given the vagueness of nomenclature with recorders it is difficult to tell whether this is the contrabass in C 2 octaves below the tenor recorder or merely a contrabass in F 2 octaves below the treble or alto but which is often miscalled subcontrabass. Perhaps someone with perfect or excellent relative pitch can tell.
Worth investigating.
Francis
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From: Chris Crosskey
Subject: [CB] Grat bass (and bigger) recorder construction
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 17:08:26 +0100
Hi folks...
This is my first post here, adn yes I have looked for thi sinformation in a
lot of other places, so if there is a FAQ with this sort of info in it
somewhere I havent' een a bel to track it down....
I'm interested in building a large recorder, as I enjoy engineering
challenges, like recorders and am far too mean to hand over the four-figure
sum required for even the cheapest big recorder....
I'd like to build something tuned to C a couple of octaves below the tenor
that I currently mess around on....is there any onfo out there to help
me?....I know that I'm looking at doubling the bore of the pipe and
quadrupling it's length.....does anyone have a cross-sectional diagram of
the Paetzold recorders, as building a square section looks rather easier
than round pipe type, though I do have a metal-working lathe so producing
the reamers for a round pipe isn't that hard for me....anythng is more than
what I have at the moment (which is basically some pictures of the outside
of Paetzolds adn a few other bits and bob mostly from
contrabass.com......I'm not looking to do this immediately as the current
engineering challenge is to beef up my Sinclair C5 for another attempt at
being the forst person to solo one from John O'Groats to Lands End.....
chrisc
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Subject: [CB] FW: Armstrong Bass Flute - solid silver head
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:51:16 -0700
From: "Grant Green"
Anyone looking for a bass flute ?
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-Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 7:43 AM
To: FLUTE@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Armstrong Bass Flute - solid silver head
Folks - I need to sell my Armstrong Bass flute - older
model with solid silver head joint. Lovely sound, nice
case and covercase. (Must sell since I got a deal on a
Rudall Carte - can't justify having 2 bass flutes!!!)
If interested email me privately - Helene Rosenblatt
hrosenbl@rcn.com or Chambermusic1@yahoo.com
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