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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:08:17 -0700
From: Grant Green
Subject: Re: [CB] big tarogatos

>AFAIK, not for sale....
> > >I see? A pair of alto and a tenor.
> >
> > How much were they asking?  ;-)

And isn't that just *typical* (mumble, mumble, mumble...)


Grant Green        
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:12:57 -0700
From: Grant Green
Subject: Re: [CB] yet another sax question

>With regard to differences in 'orchestral' saxes: I always thought
>saxes in orchestras had a more mellow sound. I'm thinking mainly
>of the sax lines in "Sabre Dance" and "Bolero". For that matter, it
>seems to me that the sax sections in the earlier big bands weren't
>as 'brassy' as in some of the later groups.

While some of that difference is probably due to the bore, the
greatest difference is probably attributable to the mouthpiece
design.  Sax mpcs used for orchestral work (and old big band work)
have fairly round chambers, good for providing the type of timbre the
players were looking for.  Later players wanted a more biting sound
(perhaps to compete with the trombones and trumpets?), and started
experimenting with mpc design.  Lowering the chamber height and angle
accentuates the higher partials in the timbre, resulting in a
brighter (sometimes raucous) sound.  You can hear the same sax played
in classical and jazz venues, with a wide difference in timbre -
they're just probably using different mouthpieces (and reeds, and
possibly ligatures too).


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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:53:20 -0700
From: "David F."
Subject: Re: [CB] [CB Digest]

>I just returned from a trip to Baltimore. Walked into an little music store
>across the street from the Peabody Conservatory, and what's the first thing
>I see? A pair of alto and a tenor.

How much were they asking?  ;-)


YES! indeed

How much WERE they asking?


Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:31:56 -0700
From: "Timothy J. Tikker"
Subject: Re: [CB] [CB Digest]

Sorry, this is a non-contrabass item, but I thought some of you might still know how to help:

Somebody just e-mailed me out of the blue saying she has one of those rare Haynes silver clarinets.  hers was made in 1921, and was recently certified authentic by the president of Haynes Co. (she lives in Boston).  This guy said it was in about the best condition he'd ever seen.

Anyway, how would she go about finding out what it's worth?


- Tim Tikker


Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:54:16 -0700
From: Craig Durham
Subject: Re: [CB] yet another sax question

...Different mouthpieces, reeds and ligatures. Good point.
I'm finding out more all the time about just how complex the
mouthpiece system really is. Even the ligature makes a huge
difference - not only in the sound, but in the intonation. Due to a
lack of time for experimentation of late, I finally bought a Rovner
3RL for my bass (but it also fits my contra alto - go figure).
It comes with quite a lengthy instruction sheet detailing all the
different ways it can be installed, according to the sound one
wants. I'm quite pleased with the results on both clarinets.

With regard to the ongoing bass clarinet restoration saga, I
finally determined that the original mouthpiece must have had
a smaller bore than the Yamaha 4C I'm attempting to use.
If I pull the mouthpiece out as far as possible, everything is
pretty much in tune. The lowest notes are still sharp, but they're
in lippable range. The metal ligature I was using before didn't
allow even this result - in addition to constantly slipping off the



Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 09:20:17 -0500
From: Oscar A Wehmanen
Subject: [CB] Bell Direction

 My experience of bell up vs bell front is
 that the straight up bell permits me to hear myself
 much better than the bell front.  The location
 of the ears relative to the horn at the small
 distances involved for the player can be crucial.

 I believe that this difference in hearing explains
 the almost universal preference for the straight
 bell.   Oscar


Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 11:40:20 -0500
From: Jim Quist
Subject: [CB] bass vibes, bass marimbas

Any interest here in seeing and/or hearing a bass vibraphone and bass
marimba? Have these instruments been discussed here previously?


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