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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:31:55 -0400
From: Dave Robinson <jazzteachr@sysnet.net>
Subject: Re: [CB] another introduction
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comAaron J. Rabushka wrote:
> As long as we're doing introductions and re-introductions I may as well do mine: I am a composer, currently living in Fort >Worth, Texas. I used to play trombone with occasional excursions into sackbuts and euphonium. My compositions include several
>featuring unusual instruments, and my recordings include a madrigal with alto and bass flutes (Vienna Modern Masters >VMM-2008) as well as a concerto for clarinet and bass clarinet(VMM-2038).hey Im sorry that last letter was my sons and he didnt mean to send it
to you ok
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:29:49 -0700
From: Grant Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
Subject: Re: [CB] Return of the Reed Contra
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comRobert wrote:
>Note that a contrabasse a anche has just been posted on ebay - the post
>says it's "sarrusophone-like", a meter long, and Italian made.Yes, the Music Treasures reed contrabass is back. The first auction ended with nobody meeting the reserve. They've reposted the auction, complete with the pictures and my same emailed comments regarding the state of the horn. I assume they've lowered the reserve... The instrument was originally listed on their website with a price of US$4K: the MT website now just says that its offered at eBay, without listing a price.
Grant
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From: Grant Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
Subject: Re: [CB] list population
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com>Hey everyone! I was curious..how many members are there on this list? Also,
>is there like a list of members and where they are from?There are about 200 subscribers, including both immediate and digest
versions of the list. The list of addresses is not posted, as to do
so would invite spam. However, there are subscribers from each
continent (except Antarctica), and many countries, including England,
Argentina, Japan, New Zealand, Australia, Spain, Netherlands, Sweden,
Israel, Italy, Singapore, Russia, Canada, Brazil, and the US (in no
particular order).Grant
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---------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:54:15 -0500
From: Topper <leo_g@carroll.com>
Subject: Re: [CB] Return of the Reed Contra
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comInotice some solder leaks or spreadfing solder. They say a key holder is
missing. They do not say if this horn is playable or not.Are we to assume it is playable or can be made playable and to what degree?
At 04:29 PM -0700 3/13/00, Grant Green wrote:
>Yes, the Music Treasures reed contrabass is back. The first auction
>ended with nobody meeting the reserve. They've reposted the auction,
>complete with the pictures and my same emailed comments regarding the
>state of the horn.
>(http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=282258560) I
>assume they've lowered the reserve... The instrument was originally
>listed on their website with a price of US$4K: the MT website now
>just says that its offered at eBay, without listing a price.Cheers, Leo
Autions' Underway: "You Take The High Notes" Our musical
instruments, parts, tools, classical LP, 1800's and 1900's piano music and
with violin editions. A family collection for sale and auction. Items for
sale date from before 1813 to 1987. Please bookmark or link page as new
items are catalogued weekly. Links will be exchanged upon request. I am
especially interested in Musical Instrument History and technical data.
Please email me with interesting links. Thank you:-) Leo
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:03:22 -0700
From: Grant Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
Subject: Re: [CB] Return of the Reed Contra
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com>Inotice some solder leaks or spreadfing solder. They say a key holder is
>missing. They do not say if this horn is playable or not.
>
>Are we to assume it is playable or can be made playable and to what degree?I'm not a repairman, but my guess is that (a) it isn't playable at
the moment, and (b) it could be rendered playable by a competent sax
tech. The "key holder" appears to be a missing post, and I imagine
one could substitute a sax post of an appropriate size (possibly
raising it...). The aspect that I'd worry about most is the fact
that the bottom bow is on backwards. I think that bows are removed
and replaced every now and then by repairmen, but what concerns me is
how they managed to jam it back on the wrong way. Since the
instrument has a conical bore, one side of the bow should be at least
a little bit larger than the other side, and *it shouldn't fit* the
wrong way. Maybe the taper is gradual enough on this horn, or maybe
the bow section is perfectly cylindrical (although bent). As long as
the "repair"man who did it didn't flare the tube in order to force
fit the bore...Grant
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---------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:48:58 -0500
From: "farfl's house" <farfl@idirect.ca>
Subject: [CB] Ben Goldberg, and a Besson 2-20.
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comHi;
Can anyone give me information on a Besson 2-20? It's not a contrabass tuba, so I want to sell it on eBay, and I want to be informed about it!
Just to make sure this post is still Contra-related, here's the info on the wonderful Ben Goldberg CD.
It's called "Twelve Minor", and among the other instrumentalists, it features Ben Goldberg on clarinet, bass clarinet, and contra-alto LeBlanc paperclip model clarinet. It was released in 1998, and the first tune on it is a really beautiful solo contra-alto piece called "Statement of Themes On Contra-alto Clarinet" (fittingly enough!). It's a great CD released on the AVANT label (I have a Japanese release, I don't know if it's also domestic), and the CD# is AVAN-035.
I can't give out Ben Goldberg's home e-mail address, but it looks like there's an alternate one printed right here in the CD cover; hopefully it's still valid. Try contacting Ben at: bg@tigerfish.com Tell him that Steve Lederman sent you and recommended the CD, and he should be real nice to you! He's a great guy, anyway. The Contra-alto piece is really inspiring.
Someone let me know about the Besson, please!!
Regards,
Steven Lederman---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:34:28 -0500
From: Topper <leo_g@carroll.com>
Subject: Re: [CB] Return of the Reed Contra
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comI know it's not a contra... but just for sake of proceedure:
So just for us learing (actually creating) some kind of code instead the
newly enacted unwritten and unresolved ununiform code of ebay please take a
look athttp://helius.carroll.com/p/leo_g/albertcl.html
and tell me where it mentions (or looks) like this is in playing condition.
Is the text more describing condition or origin and make. Does it look like
more of a collector's item or more of a players item?
What questions would you ask.
Cheers, Leo
Autions' Underway: "You Take The High Notes" Our musical
instruments, parts, tools, classical LP, 1800's and 1900's piano music and
with violin editions. A family collection for sale and auction. Items for
sale date from before 1813 to 1987. Please bookmark or link page as new
items are catalogued weekly. Links will be exchanged upon request. I am
especially interested in Musical Instrument History and technical data.
Please email me with interesting links. Thank you:-) Leo
---------------------------------------------------------From: SaxKicker@aol.com
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:12:08 EST
Subject: Re: [CB] list population
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comI was wondering who subscribes to this list in Japan. I am very fond of Japan
because I am studying the Japanese culture and writing. If anyone is or if
anyone knows someone who subscribes from Japan please feel free to email me,
I would like very much to talk with you.Matt,
(BARI SAX!!)
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:13:52 -0500
From: Abi Tenenbaum <abi@brandeis.edu>
Subject: Re: [CB] Reeds
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comHere's a fun tip my contra-alto repairman told me. I had a Selmer
mouthpiece on my Selmer Contra-alto, and he said on THAT particular
instrument with THAT mouthpiece, it was better to use bari sax reeds.
And it was. They're also easier to find.Abi
Fmmck@aol.com wrote:
> I find that many music stores don't carry any Contra reeds at all. You may
> have to take what you can find. There are also variations in the reed size
> required for different instrument's mouthpieces, which narrows it down. For
> example, the older Leblanc BBb Contrabass Clarinet mouthpiece is too wide to
> use the Rico reeds. VanDoren reeds are slightly wider, and are useable. (I
> haven't heard of a source of a reed that is really wide enough.) I solved
> this problem by purchasing a Selmer C* mouthpiece, which will work with
> either the Rico or VanDoren reeds. A number 3 reed seems to work well with
> the C*.
>
> A local store happens to have both Rico and VanDoren reeds for the Contra
> Clarinets. My preference is for the VanDoren, but have no real complaint
> against the Rico. However, I recently obtained a Bundy EEb Contra Alto
> Clarinet, and all my reeds turned into squeakers, using the original Bundy
> mouthpiece. I've now ordered another Selmer C* mouthpiece to fit the Bundy,
> and hope it will eliminate the squeaks.
>
> Fred McKenzie
> <A HREF="http://www.dreamnetstudios.com/music/mmb/index.htm">MMB</A>
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---------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:43:53 -0400
From: "Robert S. Howe" <arehow@vgernet.net>
Subject: [CB] Selmer Eb CA clarinet mpc needed
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comI recently bought an Eb contraalto clarinet, a Selmer, on Ebay, which I
have put in to nice playing condition. But I can't play it. The son of
a bitch who sold it advertised it as "complete" but on arrival there was
no mpc or peg. The peg I have supplied. Can anyone sell me a correct
mpc for this puppy? My Bb CB mpcs do NOT fit, their tenons are too
large for the receiver socket. On my instrument this socket measures 20
mm deep and 32 mm across.Thanks,
Robert Howe
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:50:59 EST
Subject: Re: [CB] Reeds
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comWhat do you do with the Sax reeds? Do they need to be cut down or altered?
I'm just curious.
Jacob
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:08:33 EST
Subject: Re: [CB] Reeds
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comAre you talking about the contra alto clarinet?
I play that as my main instrument...i usually use bari reeds sometimes....but
what works great are the Bb contra bass reeds...they are a little wider, but
barely and they create a better sound in the low notes...more of a rumble!lotsa peace n lovin
dana
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:37:41 +0000 (GMT)
From: Dafydd y garreg wen <mavnw@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [CB] another introduction
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comSeeing as we're in the mood for introductions, and I don't believe I ever
did introduce myself properly, here goes:-My name's Dave Taylor, and I play various low (usually) brass instruments
(primarily Euph and Bass Trombone) and keyboards. I played principal
Bass Trombone for a while from the age of 15 in the National Youth Brass
Band of Great Britain. I'm 20 years old, and am currently studying Maths
(3rd year of 3; all PhD offers gratefully considered <G>) at the
University of Warwick (that's near Coventry, in England), although I've
worked out that since I arrived at University I've spent 6 or 7 times more
doing Music than Maths:) I write music (some of which has been publicly
performed), and would like to take this more seriously at some point
(soonish).Dave Taylor
p.s. If anyone knows of any low trombones (i.e. In the range D-G below
tenor) for sale (cheapish), then could they let me know please.---------------------------------------------------------
From: "Price, David" <DPrice@uk.abtcorp.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:19:43 -0000
Subject: RE: [CB] another introduction
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comI don't think I did either, so here's a brief synopsis from another Brit.
I'm not sure that I'm fully qualified to be on the list as a player as I
'only' play EEb Tuba and Baritone Sax.There is much debate elsewhere as to terminology regarding Tubas with many
using the nomenclature of 'Bass Tuba' for those in the keys of F and Eb,and
'Contrabass Tuba' for those in the keys of C and Bb.So, I hover on the extremities.
I would dearly love a Rudy Meinl CC Tuba and a Selmer Bass Sax to add to my
current instruments but having made the fatal mistake of marrying an
accountant, I find that although the money is seemingly there to buy them, I
don't seem to have the necessary authorisation to with it.'Where's your justification?'
'Why could you possible need two big saxophones?'
'You can have another one only if you sell one of the existing intruments.'
.... and then the lesson in the English language.....
'You might WANT another Tuba, but you don't NEED one.'
Has anybody out there successfully won against such an onslaught of 'logic'?
All advice will be gratefully received.
Dave.
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From: "Colin Harris" <charris@rocketscience-crm.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 13:47:48 -0000
Subject: RE: [CB] another introduction
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comHello!
I've been on and off this wonderful list for a while, and here I am.
My name is Colin Harris, 23, and I play mainly Eb Tuba and bass guitar,
although I play BBb Tuba and Bass trombone when I am lucky enough to dep for
another band.I am a brass band-ie who has done some orchestral (pah!) and wind band
playing (better..) and writes and arranges a ton of stuff for brass and wind
band. I once did it as a job, but now it is just for fun.I would love to get my hands on a Thien F contrabass trombone, but at £4000
or equ, it is a little out of my price range at the moment.You can hear me "blowing my own trumpet" at www.backworth.org.uk/colin.htm !
Colin.
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:01:33 -0500
From: Abi Tenenbaum <abi@brandeis.edu>
Subject: Re: [CB] Reeds
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comWhen I used a bari sax reed on a Selmer contra-alto mouthpiece, they did
not need to be altered at all. I later picked up a Vito, and the reeds
were much too long. So there I had to use contra-alto reeds, but bari
sax reeds worked perfectly (even the top edge was better shaped) on my
Selmer.abi
ArcLucifer@aol.com wrote:
> What do you do with the Sax reeds? Do they need to be cut down or altered?
> I'm just curious.
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:32:34 -0500
From: Abi Tenenbaum <abi@brandeis.edu>
Subject: Re: [CB] Reeds
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comOh, yeah, a contra-alto CLARINET. Forgot about that
Abi Tenenbaum wrote:
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From: Shouryu Nohe <jnohe@nmsu.edu>
Subject: Re: [CB] Reeds
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comOn Tue, 14 Mar 2000 ArcLucifer@aol.com wrote:
> What do you do with the Sax reeds?
Generally, one places them on a mouthpiece with a ligature.
*grin*J. Shouryu Nohe
http://web.nmsu.edu/~jnohe
Professor of SCSM102, New Mexico State Univ.
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From: "Spencer Parks" <ilylamp@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:46:36 CST
Subject: Re: [CB] Reeds
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comI play bass sax and I found a box of reeds that's made for contra-alto
clarinet, contrabass clarinet and bass sax.
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From: ArcLucifer@aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:32:15 EST
Subject: Re: [CB] Reeds
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com> >What do you do with the Sax reeds?
>>
>>Generally, one places them on a mouthpiece with a ligature.
>*>grin*.Well, I've played my sax without a ligature and still managed to get a sound
out of it.---------------------------------------------------------
From: MusicDayDream@aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:34:29 EST
Subject: Re: [CB] Reeds
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comThe Bari Sax reeds for the contra alto clarinet dont need to be altered at
all...atleast for me. I've played 2 different contra alto's....a leblanc and
a vito.lotsa peace n lovin
dana
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:08:00 -0700
From: Grant Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
Subject: Re: [CB] Return of the Metal Albert Clarinet
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com>So just for us learing (actually creating) some kind of code instead the
>newly enacted unwritten and unresolved ununiform code of ebay please take a
>look at
>
>http://helius.carroll.com/p/leo_g/albertcl.html
>
>and tell me where it mentions (or looks) like this is in playing condition.
>Is the text more describing condition or origin and make. Does it look like
>more of a collector's item or more of a players item?The listing doesn't state anywhere that the horn is playable,
although it *does* mention that it has a "very nice tone". One might
be led to believe that the seller had heard the tone recently (e.g.,
had played it himself). Also, the fact that it is stated to be "low
pitch" implies that someone was able to play it and tune it (unless
it is stamped on the horn somewhere, which is not mentioned in the
listing). The fact that it is missing the tenon corks doesn't
completely contradict this, depending on how well the horn stays
together (and whether it leaks) without the corks (or with what is
left of them).Looks like more of a collector's item to me.
>What questions would you ask.
Depends on what you want to do with it. If your purpose is to
"collect" it, e.g., for display, then you probably want to inquire as
to whether it has been repaired, refinished, stripped, etc. If you
want to play it, I'd certainly ask if it was currently in playable
condition, and if not, how the low pitch and very nice tone was
determined. In either case, I'd also want to know if there was any
brand indication other than the bare serial number.Grant
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---------------------------------------------------------From: MusicDayDream@aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:23:08 EST
Subject: Re: [CB] Return of the Metal Albert Clarinet
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comHey i dont know what condition that one is in...but a few years ago my old
band director had one of them and it had a really neat sound!lotsa peace n lovin
dana
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:40:44 -0500
From: Abi Tenenbaum <abi@brandeis.edu>
Subject: Re: [CB] Reeds
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comBut the important thing in determining if the reeds need to be altered
is not the brand of the clarinet, but the brand of the mouthpiece.abi
MusicDayDream@aol.com wrote:
> The Bari Sax reeds for the contra alto clarinet dont need to be altered at
> all...atleast for me. I've played 2 different contra alto's....a leblanc and
> a vito.
>
> lotsa peace n lovin
> dana
---------------------------------------------------------From: ArcLucifer@aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:34:30 EST
Subject: Re: [CB] Reeds
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comIn a message dated 14/03/00 20:42:44 GMT Standard Time, abi@brandeis.edu writes:
<< But the important thing in determining if the reeds need to be altered
is not the brand of the clarinet, but the brand of the mouthpiece. >>Thereby implying that a Contrabass Clarinet can use Sopranino reeds if it
uses the same brand mouthpiece :o)
Jacob
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:53:45 -0500
From: Abi Tenenbaum <abi@brandeis.edu>
Subject: Re: [CB] Reeds
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comOk...I give up. But it was made to seem as though bari sax reeds would fit on
ANY contra-alto so long as it was of the three standard brands. My
correction was that the brand of the mouthpiece on the contra was the
important detail..abi
ArcLucifer@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 14/03/00 20:42:44 GMT Standard Time, abi@brandeis.edu
> writes:
>
> << But the important thing in determining if the reeds need to be altered
> is not the brand of the clarinet, but the brand of the mouthpiece. >>
>
> Thereby implying that a Contrabass Clarinet can use Sopranino reeds if it
> uses the same brand mouthpiece :o)
>
> Jacob***End of Contrabass***
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