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From: "Gregg Bailey" <>
Subject: Pipe organs
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:40:59 CDT


>I've seen true 64 foot pipes.

 Was it at Atlantic City Convention Hall, or Sydney Town Hall?  Apparently,
the 64' Dulzian/Diaphone at ACCH is straight, except that the very top is
mitered forward for projection.  the 64' Contra Trombone at Sydney, however,
is apparently curved this way and that.  And, I've heard that it is too
powerful for the organ and sounds fusillade.  Do you know more?
 I have a CD of an organ whose pedalboard extends down to A rather than C,
and one piece ends with the low Bb on the 32' Bombarde, which would be in
the 64' octave.  It sounds very effective to me; impressive!!!

>An organ three stories high in a cathedral twice that size.

 Where's this?

>As for price, some particularly coveted organs get practice fees of
>100.00 an hour or more.  I imagine you have to rent a space every time you
>want to practice.

 Well, this may be true for large, famous organs, but most churches let you
practice for FREE (if they let you practice at all).

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From: "Mats 0ljare" <>
Subject: Re: Percussion instruments
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:13:45 PDT

>This probably has not much relevance, but gamelan kettle gongs(the
>large,hanging type) produce a nice rumble. And due to their form,
>they have a verydominant fundamental tone, which is the case in most
>of the so-called nipple gongs. They're usually, however, not larger
>than a meter or so in diameter.

I know about gongs suspended on a frame of strings.What function does the
strings have other than support?

>With some patience, these and gongs in general are also rather easy
>to make.I never got around to it, but I always wanted to see how
>large I could make one of these.

Well,i know there is 15-20 feet orchestral tamtams,but they are also
thicker,so they yield the same pitches as regular ones(except for the
increased volume).By the way,i also heard that they can´t be used in
recording situations at all because they destroy the microphones.Is that

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From: "Gregg Bailey" <>
Subject: Unusual double reeds
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:00:33 CDT


>The heckelphone differs from the bass oboe in that the heckelphone bore is
>much wider, and the heckelphone is played with a reed much like a miniature
>bassoon reed (as opposed to the english-horn like reed of the
>bass oboe).

 Did a Mr. Heckel invent it?  Why didn't it catch on?  Did it come about
before or after the oboe?

>The heckelphone can have either French (Conservatoire)
>keywork, or German keywork, depending on how the owner ordered it.

 Is either of those like oboe keywork?

>Double reed instruments with cylindrical bores include the crumhorn,
>cornamuse (which is essentially a straight crumhorn), rackett, sordune,
>kortholt, dudeck, and some varieties of bagpipe.

 Were any of these like professional instruments (keywork as opposed to
holes, stable & decent tone, etc.)?  What's the point of a curved crumhorn
when there's the straight cornamuse?  Are Krummhorn, Crumhorn, and Cromorne
all the same thing?
 Please tell about the sordune, kortholt, and dudeck.

> > Does a tarogato sound like a wooden saxophone?  Again, why isn't
> >this a standard instrument in ensembles?
>Sounds much like a soprano sax, but has a more limited range (at least, so
>I understand).

 I imagine it to have more resonance and oomph, so-to-speak, because it's
wooden.  If there were a contrabass tarogato, I imagine it would shake some
 What all sizes of tarogato are available?

>P. Grainger wanted to score for
>bands that had a full complement of saxophones and sarrusophones (amongst
>others), for the variety of timbres.

 What are the *others* you speak of?
 Is a sarrusophone essentially a brass bassoon???  The list discusses
sarrusophones often, but I don't really know about them.  What is the
compass of one, and what instrument is its fingering most like?

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Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:18:41 EDT
Subject: Re: Unusual double reeds
 Did a Mr. Heckel invent it?  Why didn't it catch on?  Did it come about
 before or after the oboe?

As I've heard, most people love the tone of Hecklephone--- only the cost, is
what prohibits them. Forty-thousand dollars is what I last heard, but this
sounds absurd. Am I correct? Also, I think it was invented very early in the
20th century or late in the 19th century, therefore much later after the oboe.


Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:41:34 -0400
From: arehow <>
Subject: Re: Heckel's address and phone

I will be very grateful for a current PHONE NUMBER or FAX for Heckel in
Weisbaden; also, for the prices of any Heckelphones sold recently in the
USA; and for a date on Heckelphone serial 3465.

Many thanks,

Robert Howe

From: "Gregg Bailey" <>
Subject: organs
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:17:03 CDT


>If i'm not mistaken, the Lay Family Organ in Dallas goes all the way
>down to the E in the 64 foot register.  I've heard it on two
>occasions and it is so low that it shakes the entire hall when it is
>played.  The funny thing is that there is enough room in the hall to
>easily put a 64 foot pipe but there is not one.

 The only thing I'm aware of is that it goes down to 32' C with 3 32' ranks:
  Prestant (Principal--open pipes), Untersatz (probably stopped wooden
pipes), and the Tuba Profunda (a very aggressive reed stop).  Has a partial
64' rank actually been added????

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From: "Gregg Bailey" <>
Subject: Midi pedalboards
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:20:45 CDT


>But WHY can't one buy a MIDI pedalboard for practice?
>They wouldn't be particularly expensive to manufacture, and might start
>to sneak into pop music too if available.

 I have seen instructions online for how to build your own.  I wouldn't be
surprised if someone already manufactures them--a true pedalboard, that is;
there are several on the market that are miniature versions, only an octave
or so, and can't be played "toe and heel."

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Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:22:37 EDT
Subject: Re: Midi pedalboards

How come you discussing month-plus old topics? No need to resurrect the dead!


Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 15:58:02 EDT
Subject: Re: stands

I made my own stand just that quick.

It is sturdy. It's height-adjustable. It's play-ready. It's made of junk I
had sitting around.
I don't think I would recommend this to anyone though. If one were to buy the
materials new, it'd probably be expensive. Although, that's pretty relative
because I don't know how much a contra clarinet stand would cost.


Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 16:58:17 EDT
Subject: Re: Percussion instruments

<< I know about gongs suspended on a frame of strings.What function does the strings have other than support?
String wire or whatever provides support with minimal surface area in order not to dampen the vibration. They are usual bound to the node of the cymbal or gong. In terms of vibration or resonation, the node is where the piece vibrates least.

<< Well,i know there is 15-20 feet orchestral tamtams,but they are also=20
 thicker,so they yield the same pitches as regular ones(except for the=20
 increased volume).By the way,i also heard that they can=B4t be used in=20
 recording situations at all because they destroy the microphones.Is that=20
 true? >>

Any loud enough tone at the right frequency can destroy anything really. I forget the name of it, but there's some contraption that produces a very loud or strong subsonic (if you can't hear it it would not be loud) frequency. They used to use it to tear down buildings. The nazis attempted to use it as a war machine. While operating, this thing can not be in the near of living beings without turning their inners to mush ultimatly killing them. I think there was an incident in Europe somewhere (I think Sweden(your home?))where they accidently tore down a whole block of houses. This instrument definitely holds the all-time lowest tone record.
Back to the subject- I don't know. I'm not familiar with orchestral recording techniques. Maybe someone else has the tamtam answer.


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