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Vol. 1, No. 41

19 September 1996

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 12:13:19 -0800
From: mgrf@pacificnet.net (R)
Subject: Re: Contrabass-L No. 40

Hello Contra-Bass-ers

It's been a while since the National Flute Convention (august 14-19), but I've been busy practicing my new quarter tone concert flute.(Brannen-Cooper-Kingma flute)

There were three octo-bass flute players in the opening Flute Orchestra. Noone performed alone, though.

I spoke with Welshman Howel Roberts about making me an octo-bass flute. He's made a few for some of the German flute companies and is now doing them on his own. I think he will finish it within the next year.

I also purchased a custom-made quartertone bass flute from Eva Kingma. It's got better quartertone keys than the concert flute I picked up, so it's taking a bit longer for delivery. She plans to develop quarter tone systems for the larger flutes (bass in F or G and octo-bass)

I also commissioned a piece for the new bass by Mike Mower. He's a British composer who started the jazz sax quartet Itchy Fingers. I hope to have a jazzy little piece from him by the end of the year.

I hope to perform at the next Flute Convention next August in Chicago. I will be performing a quartertone bass flute piece by California Institute of the ARts composer Charles Morogiello in the near future. I've also started a trio with guitarist Ryan Francesconi and soprano Caat Hay. We will be performing at CalArts on November 19th for a noon hour concert. I hope to play the bass on a few concerts.

Stay tuned for more info. There will be a few new subscribers from the flute area soon!!!!

Marion Garver

PS. Still looking for a Bass in F or G!!!!!!

Hey Marion,

Please be sure and let us know when and where the concerts are. I'd like to attend one if its in the San Francisco area.


And now, one of several bass saxes for sale:

>From: forwinds@aol.com (ForWinds)
>Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.marketplace
>Subject: FS: Selmer BASS Saxophone
>Date: 13 Sep 1996 12:07:12 -0400
>Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
>Reply-To: forwinds@aol.com (ForWinds)
>Selmer (Mark 6 vintage) BASS Saxophone
>Serial#95000 in very good condition
>(Don't see many of these!)

And now for something completely different: a tuba!

>From: kirkj1@tir.com
>Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.marketplace
>Subject: Tuba and Bass Trombone for Sale
>Date: 13 Sep 1996 23:01:55 GMT

>I have a brand new Cervany 686MR BBb four rotary valve tuba for sale. It is
>less than 6 weeks old. It is a very nice horn but I have decided to go in a
>different direction with a new horn.
>The specs on it are 0.795 bore, 17 3/4 inch bell, 40 1/8 inch tall, nickel
>silver rim and mouthpipe. It is the newest Cervany BBb design and one of
>the nicest tuba available for less than $3000. Asking $2800 obo plus
>I also have a Bach Strad. dual rotor Bass Trombone for sale. It is in
>mint condition and recently back from the factory where the valve linkages
>were updated and the bell replaced. Actually there was not anything wrong
>with the bell but it was replaced because they didn't like it. Talk about
>customer service. I believe it is a Model 50b3L, Bb/F/Eb, 10 1/2 inch
>bell and close wrap. Have the original old style Bach case as well as a
>new Contoured Pro Pac. Asking $1700 obo plus shipping.
>Main reason for selling both of these horns is to finance the purchase of
>another tuba. May consider interesting trades also. If you are
>interested in either instrument drop me a line.

From: KUUP84A@prodigy.com (MR MARK A TRINKO)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 23:09:32, -0500
Subject: Re: Contrabass-L No. 40

I'll be in Milwaukee Sep 26-29 but that does nothing for anyone as I am not a musician, but rather a listener from the audience. :)

From: Francis Firth <Francis.Firth@uce.ac.uk>
Subject: Leblanc recording
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 96 09:01:00 BST


As far as I'm aware the subcontrabass clarinets are located in La Couture Boussey, the current home of Leblanc, France. So, it might be necessary to do some of the recording over there?

Terje Lerstad might be the person to play at least one of the instruments although in his clarinet choir piece there are, of course, 2 subcontrabass parts (E Flat and B Flat). He also has written for and plays contrabass clarinet as well as E Flat clarinet.

Some suggestions for other pieces. Robert Roennes has written a Hommage a Andre Jolivet for Alto clarinet and piano, the only solo piece I know of for this instrument.

The clarinet in D solo repertoire is as far as I know confined to concertos by Molter so there are your baroque pieces.

There is a reasonable repertoire for Basset Horn from the turn of the 18th/19th century including a sonata with piano by Danzi (or more accurately a piano sonata with basset horn obligato), a concerto by Rolla, a chamber piece by Fux ... so here we could have the 'classical' period pieces.

For E Flat clarinet there is an operatic fantasy on, I think, Bellini from the early 19th century so here we have early romantic period.

Obviously, the repertoire for the instruments in B Flat and in A is vast so any reasonably-lengthed suggestions (the Brahms would be a bit long for this sort of CD - but what about the seminal Stravinsky 3 pieces?)

For high A Flat clarinet the only pieces solo are those by Lerstad, who can, presumably play them. Perhaps he even has an A Flat instrument.

The bass clarinet, again, has a vast 20th century repertoire. Any suggestions? If you want extreme avant-garde there is always brian Ferneyhough's Time and Motion study which also requires a virtuoso such as Harry Spaarnay or Tommy Lindberg (is that name correct?).

A choir piece which includes all but the 2 subcontrabass instruments is the American composer Gary Paul Nash, whose Scherzando for 13 clarinets includes A Flat, E Flat, d, C, 2 B Flat, 2 A, Basset Horn, Alto, Bass, Contralto and Contrabass instruments.

I have a score from the composer as well as a tape of a student live performance (adequate but not outstanding).

The only problem with all this will be to fit everything on the disc.

I look forward to hearing other suggestions.

Francis Firth

I don't think we need to worry about including Bb or A clarinet selections: those are already amply covered elsewhere. Leblanc could always release "Vol II" if they want...


Author: groover@netcom.com (Robert Groover)
Date: 9/18/96 7:12 PM
Subject: Bass sax for sale

There is a really nice Keilwerth bass sax for sale in my area. The owner (a recent widow) is asking $5000. I know this horn pretty well, since I bought it from the original owner (who bought it new in the early 80s); I may still have a chart of third-octave fingerings for it somewhere. Send inquiries to me.

Robert Groover groover@netcom.com (PGP key on request)
Member ECS, AVS, ACM, OSA, Sen.Mem.IEEE, Reg'd Patent Atty
"Perhaps I too am a dragon, only dreaming I am a book."

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:40:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: drumming man <lederman@inforamp.net>
Subject: Re: Contrabass-L

Hi! Steven here again. Still need those German "Village" label Rollini CDs! Okay, I've decided to lower the price on my LeBlanc Contra-Alto in order to try and make it irresistable to someone that otherwise couldn't afford it, as I really need the money! It's serial number #172 (1969), wrap-around style, silver-plated keys, and nickely-satin finish. It goes down to Looooooowwwww "C". Beautiful condition. Brand new hardshell case, LeBlanc mouthpiece, and Rovner ligature and cap! Priced to sell at $2750 US.

My phone number is (416)604-8929, and my e-mail address is thus; lederman@inforamp.net

Sounds very tempting! If only I had the money now...


Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:08:21 -0500
From: Peter Koval <pkoval@sundance.usd.edu>
Subject: Contrabass-L 40 & Octocontrabass Clarinets

I think you will find that all of the Octocontrabass clarinets are at Leblanc Paris, not Leblanc Kenosha. I saw two of these in the late 1970s at the Leblanc Paris showroom. The larger Octocontrabass in Bb was not in playable condition, with some of the right hand keys loose. The smaller Eb Octocontrabass was in playable condition and I had a short session with it. It played and sounded very much like the Bb Contrabass Clarinet but naturally with a lower range, and the lowest octave was more rumble than clear-sounding notes (although it would have greatly enhanced an ensemble).

I was told that Leblanc were studying the possibility of producing commercially the Eb Octocontrabass, as many large American wind ensembles had shown interest, but since I have never heard anything about it subsequently, I guess nothing came of it.


Sounds to me like we all need to take an oath: "I solemnly swear to bring a tape recorder with me at all times, and to record all examples of extremely low instruments encountered."

I wonder how many orders Leblanc would need to start putting octocontraltos into (limited) production? Does anyone have a good contact at Leblanc?


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