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Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:49:07 -0600
Subject: Re: [CB] I guess nobody makes a "5/4" F horn for playing 4th parts?  Hmmmm....
From: Oscar A Wehmanen

 While tuba players can only choose between

 C, Bb,G,F,EbCC,BBb,EEb with 1, 3, 4, 5, or 7 valves and sizes 3/4 - 6/4.

 Something north of 100 choices.

 The real problem is getting enough energy into an audible frequency to make the pitch.  A man powered device with audible power in the first 4 harmonics and a fundamental of 20 Hz (=F) is hard work! A 4/4 CC or bigger with three or more valves can do it.  And 90+% of the power is in the harmonics.  To radiate 20 Hz  needs a 5 foot bell.  To be audible at 20 Hz needs painful power.  As in nose bleeds.  My lungs cannot get there, but we can fake it with a 40 - 60 - 80 Hz combo that implies 20 Hz.

 Or maybe we need an axillary wind source with lip control, the old tube in the corner of the mouth.  Which runs a danger of messing up you lungs if you do not keep the throat locked closed!

 The bottom line is that the Kaiser Tubas and Monster Sousas have enough big tubing  to give you 30 Hz ( Bb ) well and 20 Hz ( F ) marginally. The bell is a bit small. The Tuba is the most efficient instrument in these ranges.  A contra could really use a five or eight foot extension beyond its current bell to get some energy into the fundamental.  To go lower will require axillary power.


Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:11:16 -0800
From: "Timothy J. Tikker"
Subject: Re: [CB] [CB Digest]

> Thanks Ken, but I'm not sure that this is the same band.  Their
> website ( ) says their complement is:
> "La "batterie" placée sous les ordres d'un tambour-major et
> comprenant 15 tambours et 20 clairons;
> "L'harmonie" commandée par un major et comprenant : 2 flûtes 1
> hautbois 10 clarinettes 2 saxo alto 2 saxo ténor 2 saxo baryton 7
> trompettes cornets 3 bugles 4 cors d'harmonie 4 trombones 6 saxhorns
> basses,contrebasse 4 percussions."
> This translates something like: 15 drums + 20 bugles, and a harmony
> section of 2 flutes, 1 oboe, 10 clarinets, 2 alto saxes, 2 tenor
> saxes, 2 bari saxes, 7 trumpets/cornets, 3 bugles (flugelhorns?), 4
> horns, 4 trombones, 6 euphoniums/tubas, string bass, and 4
> percussionists.

Not quite:  "La batterie" is a drum & bugle corps under the direction of a drum major, and "l'harmonie' is the
full band.  They're two separate groups.

I have two recordings of the larger band -- and know of another.  I'll look them up later...

- Tim Tikker


Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:12:12 -0800
From: "Timothy J. Tikker"
Subject: Re: [CB] [CB Digest]

>  3 bugles (flugelhorns?),

Yes, that's the correct translation.

- Tim Tikker


Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:23:51 -0800
From: "Timothy J. Tikker"
Subject: [CB] World Traveler Restaurant & Tuba Museum


Has anyone ever mentioned the World Traveler Restaurant & Tuba Museum on Okemas Road of Okemos, Michigan
(Greater Lansing area)?  I just visited there for the first time tonight, though my wife has known the place for
years since the proprieter's brother is an old friend from her Interlochen days.

It's a restaurant with seasonally-varying international food, plus a collection of tubas (from alto horns on
down through bass Sousaphones) mounted on the walls!  Unfortunately, only one of the instruments is actually
labeled, a huge EEEb Helicon of anonymous Austrian manufacture (c. 1915), dubbed the "Majestic Monster".  I was
pleased also to see a double-belled euphonium, though couldn't get close enough to see what make it was.

The owner is a tuba player, and decided to display his instruments in the restaurant.  It's claimed that most
are in playable condition.

The food was pretty good, though the service was glacial... of course, Saturday nights are pretty busy.

- Tim Tikker


Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:59:31 +0000
From: David Bobroff
Subject: [CB] Wagner_Tuben

>>I just wondered
>>if anyone bothers to extend or improve the low range of the horn.
>>Other than Roger Bobo, of course ;-)
>Grant, isn't that called a "Wagner Tuba"?


Wagner Tuben come in two flavors; "tenor" and "bass".  The tenor is in Bb,
the same length as a trombone, baritone, or Bb side of a double horn.  The
bass is in F, the same length as an F-horn (or F-tuba for that matter).

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