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From: "Peter Hurd"
Subject: [CB] Heckelphone, Octavin
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:31:05 -0800

Dear Grant,
         I am off to Germany tomorrow to fetch the Heckelphone and perhaps the straight Octavin as well.
I will be visiting Heckel factory,  Munich State Museum Collection of Musical Instruments  (5 Heckelphones (!), Heckel-Klarinet, Heckel Musette, etcetera.), and two major private collections. It is a possibity that an example of the elusive Orsi "sub-bass Heckelphone" to low F exists somewhere in Germany. I will take photos if I in fact find this.  In any event, I will report back on the Heckelphone.
Taking time to smell the roses,  Peter


Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 20:25:28 -0600
From: Jim Quist
Subject: [CB] Buffet contra

> Buffet--one writer plays a Buffet contra, but being French systeme
> bassoons these are not  readily available in the US.

Can someone tell me more about this horn? The sound? Does anyone have a
photo they can send?



From: "menneke"
Subject: Re: [CB] Buffet contra
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:55:41 +0100

Dear Jim,

I have never heard of a Buffet Crampon Contrabass Saxophone. Buffet Crampon
manufactures a contrabass clarinet. Nowadays only Orsi in Italy and
(together with Orsi) L.A. Sax manufactures one. In Germany there is a
company which manufactures a brand new type of contra bass saxophone, called
the Tubax. I march next year I'll get the opportunity to play on such a horn
in Switzerland. It has a perfect pitch and is easy to handle and play. About
a week ago I sent a picture of this Tubax to this group; but I had to format
my entire hard disk due to a new virus; so I lost all my contrabass photos
including the Tubax. But just go to and type Tubax and you
will come across a picture of this strange looking contrabass saxophone.

Of the older contrabass saxophones I know only of Conn and Evette-Scheaffer
that manufactured a few of them. In fact, the CBS of The Nuclear Whales is a

Bye for now!
Friedrich van der Wart from Holland


Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 07:17:08 -0600
From: Jim Quist
Subject: Re[2]: [CB] Buffet contra

> I have never heard of a Buffet Crampon Contrabass Saxophone.

No no, I was referring to the French system contrabassoon. I've heard
Messrs. Ouzounoff and Decreux on their Buffet bassoons, I like the sound.

Zen koan: You know the sound of a Buffet bassoon, what does the Buffet
contrabassoon sound like?

By the way, Robert's report on his recent contrabassoon purchase was
most interesting!



From: "menneke"
Subject: Re: [CB] Almost as low..........
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 19:32:26 +0100

Dear Steve,

I enjoyed the basssax pictures enormous on our website!


Friedrich van der Wart from Holland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Weinert at Excel.Net"
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:35 AM
Subject: [CB] Almost as low..........

> Developing out of a Bass Saxophone Case Design Project, a Yahoo
> Groups List the Bass Sax - "The Bass_Sax_Coop · Bass Saxophone
> Cooperative" has been set up.
> The URL is:
> Subscribe:
> Already quite a few Photos (30+), Bookmarks (16+) and three database
> projects (One on sizes for the case project, a Bass Sax repair list and one
> on members Bass
> Saxes).
> Please consider yourselves invited and welcome!

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