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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:56:47 -0700
From: "Timothy J. Tikker"
Subject: Re: [CB] TarogatoList Server wrote:
> The tarogato was originally a shawm-like Hungarian folk instrument,
> played with a double reed. It was redesigned with "modern" keywork
> (a simple system) a single-reed mouthpiece by Schunda (Budapest) in
> the mid-1890s. As far as I know, the Bb soprano version is the only
> size made, but I imagine that a bass or contrabass version would be
> pretty interesting :-)There was an Eb alto size made, and I think a few others... maybe a C soprano, and maybe a rare straight Bb
tenor. But the Bb Soprano was the standard size.- Timothy Tikker
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From: "Owen P-S"
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:08:21 -0400
Subject: Re: [CB] Bass & Contra Saxes
Owen you wrote:
I just have a couple more questions: where would you get reeds and
mouthpieces for the bass and contrabass? and lastly, are vintage bass saxes
and especially contrabasses very collectable, what I mean is, are there a
lot of people looking for them?As far as collectability goes, sure I guess they would be collectable in the
sense that many people would like to own one, but do they have the money?
That's really the question. The contras are definitely collectable, but with
probably less than 20 in the world, they don't come up for sale very often,
and very few people would be inclined to spend as much as they would cost.
The basses are certainly more common, but again, not that many people are
going to spend a lot of money on a horn that has fairly limited use. Finding
parts for these old timers is also a huge problem. You need to have access
to a good tech who could manufacture parts for it.As far as mouthpieces goes, I couldn't tell you much about contra pieces. I
suspect that you'd have to get something custom-made. Likely Orsi also might
sell you one, but would it work on the old horns? Good chance it wouldn't.
Bass mouthpieces are not uncommon. Leblanc makes them, as does Selmer and
Keilworth I believe. Many bass players use baritone sax mouthpieces. They
usually need to be customized so that they will play in something close to
"in tune". I have a customized baritone piece I use, and also a Bundy bass
sax mouthpiece from about the 30s or 40s. For reeds, you'd use a baritone
reed for the bari piece. Bass sax reeds I've never seen for sale, but some
bass mouthpieces would take a bari reed (mine does).If you had the equipement and experience, or the knowledge, couldn't you just make your own bass and contrabass sax reeds? Or would that be too hard considering the size? Or would you need some specific cane?
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:26:21 -0700
From: Grant Green
Subject: [CB] New Page
Just thought I'd mention that I've posted a bass sax page on the site
now (http://www.contrabass.com/pages/basssax.html). Most of the text
and pictures were contributed by Andreas Van Zoelen, a bass
saxophonist who also performs as half of Spectrum Duo (with an
english horn player - how's that for an interesting combination?).If anyone else has more to add, I'm taking suggestions :-)
Enjoy,
Grant
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---------------------------------------------------------From: <Michael.Kilpatrick>
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:07:59 +0100
Subject: Re: [CB] New Page
>Just thought I'd mention that I've posted a bass sax page on the site
>now (http://www.contrabass.com/pages/basssax.html). Most of the text
>and pictures were contributed by Andreas Van Zoelen, a bass
>saxophonist who also performs as half of Spectrum Duo (with an
>english horn player - how's that for an interesting combination?).
>
>If anyone else has more to add, I'm taking suggestions :-)Would you like a picture of my bass sax to put on the page? I think it's the
only gold-plated Conn 14M bass keyed to high-F, and it's rather picturesque,
if not 100% playable at the moment...Michael
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From: Francis Firth
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:41:56 +0100
Subject: [CB] Luis de Pablo CDDear List,
Grant posted back in June about Luis de Pablo's Une Couleur.
I now have this 23 (ish) minute CD which I bought direct from Nova Musica.
It seems on a brief preliminary listening to be a most interesting work with
a substantial part at the opening for contrabass saxophone. It uses several
extended techniques but is not at the extremes of the avant-garde and is
quite listenable.
Francis Firth
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:36:49 -0700---------------------------------------------------------
From: Grant Green
Subject: [CB] Return of the contrabass saxophone...Just ran across a couple of CDs that include contrabass saxophone. I
haven't heard them yet, just heard *about* them..."une couleur" by Luis De Pablo (Nova Musica, NMCD5108) includes a
work for multiple saxophones (including contra) and orchestra, with
Daniel Kientzy covering the sax parts."Dear Louis" by Nicholas Payton (2001, Verve), with Scott Robinson on
flute, bass clarinet, bari and contrabass sax.Has anyone heard either of these already?
Thanks,
Grant
From: "George Wright"
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:42:38 -0400
Subject: RE: [CB] Bass & Contra Saxes> -----Original Message-----
> Helen Kahlke
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 5:47 PM
> Subject: [CB] Bass & Contra Saxes[...]
> Many bass players use baritone sax mouthpieces. They
> usually need to be customized so that they will play in something close to
> "in tune". I have a customized baritone piece I use, and also a Bundy bass
> sax mouthpiece from about the 30s or 40s. For reeds, you'd use a baritone
> reed for the bari piece. Bass sax reeds I've never seen for sale, but some
> bass mouthpieces would take a bari reed (mine does).Ron Coelho (http://www.saxmpc.com/) made me a bass sax mouthpiece (which now
graces a 1923 Buescher bass from Gayle Fredenburgh,
http://www.vintagesax.com/). Ron's slow, but he does great work.Geo
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From: "Owen P-S"
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:07:26 -0400
Subject: [CB] yet another sax questionDoes any one know what the difference is between the common saxophones used today and the type suited for orchestral playing which are hard to find (i.e. c-melody tenor)? I mean structural design, sound, and playability.
Any help is much appreciated. Thanks
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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:15:24 -0600 (MDT)
From: The Guy on the Couch
Subject: [CB] Things That Go Bump in the NightAs always, our first Symphonic Winds concert at NMSU this season is on
Halloween, with at least one or two so-themed works...this time we're VERY
Halloween themed, playing the Night on Bald Mountain, Tocatta and Fugue in
D Minor, etc...included is a work that our director found buried in our
library, called Things That Go Bump in the Night. It wasn't listed in our
library's database, nor do we know when we acquired it, or WHO acquired it
for us. We've read through it once, and its...well, it's corny, but
fitting.Our main problems lie in two areas - a composer is not credited on the
parts (nor is a publisher), and we have no score. Does anyone here have
any experience with this work? If you do, could you shed some light on
it, as to composer, or where we can get a score? (As the TA, if we don't
find the score, the responsibility of making a score falls to ME.
*smirk*)J. Shouryu Nohe
Grad Assistant, New Mexico State University
"I think we have a ghost in our house." - Kaycee Nicole
"I should probably be playing Buffet." - Steve Moore---------------------------------------------------------
From: "Spencer Parks"
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:19:36 -0500
Subject: Re: [CB] New Page
>From: <Michael.Kilpatrick>
>Subject: Re: [CB] New Page
>Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:07:59 +0100>Would you like a picture of my bass sax to put on the page? I think it's the
>only gold-plated Conn 14M bass keyed to high-F, and it's rather picturesque,
>if not 100% playable at the moment...
>
>MichaelYeah, I was wondering if you would want any from me too. It's one of the
"short" kinds. It's not real amazing: Vito. Can't remember the serial off
the top of my head. Probably a student horn. While I'm questions, do you
want any pictures of me playing the new LA contra?Spencer
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