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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 20:37:16 -0800
From: David Flager
Subject: Re: [CB] [CB Digest]
"a non-profit foundation (or similar entity)'Thank you !' Grant. That is the sane approach I'm sure.
is the way to go. A non-profit corporation is legally a "person", and
would technically own the instrument(s). Insuring the instrument(s)
would be part of its duties, paid for out of whatever endowment or
funding we can scrape up and/or user fees for the
orchestras/bands/universities that lease it from time to time.
SO anyone that does not want to be founding members OR contributors to
this contra bass (or, ON THE RARE SIDE) musical instruments foundation,
can just get over it. (that's right, put a sock in it) If it never gets
off the ground fine! but when it does I have made myself available, for
the greater good.
I for one, would not think of ever playing the octocontra-clar
personally, but then again I WOULD pucker up to the carl fischer tuba
given the chance, or a mile long Saxophone. It's not a "what's in it for
me" proposition though. It's a, "whole becomes greater than the sum of
the many parts" thing. I would be happy receiving free passes to any
performance these instruments might end up being loaned for, once the
foundation has loaners going out, & get a little recognition for being a
part of something worthwhile. Heck as a member I would consider planning
my vacation time off from my WORK PLACE to deliver & then watch these
performances. The CATGUT, AMIS, GAL & countless other foundations all
have wonderfull things come from their existance. THIS is another
As I've said before, Count me in, penny or pound. Someone other than
myself can prepare just what the main goals the foundation holds close
to it's bossom are, the CHARTER if you will. I will do what I can, when
the needs of the group are made more clear (published). I nominate Grant
president, to be voted upon by the founding members.(Tim Olsen would
have LOTS of insight on this topic)
Thanks for listening
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:47:56 -0500
From: "John Webster"
Subject: Re: [CB] octobass clarinet
If Leblanc is making keywork for the Vito line Contra bass (and I have one on order) then they should be able to eaisly make (or adapt it ) to a wood model. of course the paper clip is a much different animal.
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 12:27:13 -0500
From: Andrew Stiller
Subject: Re: [CB] Octocontrabass clarinet
> A question: Does the Guinness Book of World Records say the
> octocontrabass goes to 64' C? Bass clarinet is a four-foot tube
> that sounds in the 8' register, contrabass is an eight-foot tube that
> sounds 16' - shouldn't the octo be a 16' tube sounding 32'?
> Additionally, 64' C would be about 8 Hz.
You're confusing two different things here. An 8' instrument sounds at
written pitch, regardless of its actual length, so relative to the ordinary
clarinet, the bcl sounds at 16', the cbcl at 32', and the 8cbcl at 64'.
The expression "64' C" refers to the pitch that wd. be produced by an open
organ pipe 64' (!) long, or a stopped pipe half that length--i.e., 16 Hz.
"64' C" is just a way of naming that particular pitch--it has nothing to do
with the register of the instrument producing it (this is more easily
comprehended if you think of a higher note: "2' C"--middle C--can be
produced by every size of cl. from contrabass to Ab piccolo, but that does
not make them all 2' instruments.
Now: can an 8cbcl hit 64' C? Yes. Is it a 64' instrument? Again yes,
relative to the regular clarinet (relative to concert pitch it would be
73', more or less--but let's forget about that).
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:29:08 -0700
From: Grant Green
Subject: Re: [CB] Octocontrabass clarinet
> > A question: Does the Guinness Book of World Records say the
> > octocontrabass goes to 64' C? Bass clarinet is a four-foot tube
> > that sounds in the 8' register, contrabass is an eight-foot tube that
> > sounds 16' - shouldn't the octo be a 16' tube sounding 32'?
> > Additionally, 64' C would be about 8 Hz.
>You're confusing two different things here. An 8' instrument sounds at
>written pitch, regardless of its actual length, so relative to the ordinary
>clarinet, the bcl sounds at 16', the cbcl at 32', and the 8cbcl at 64'.
I'm not sure you cleared it up there, Andrew ;-)
First approximation: The bass clarinet is an 8' voice, the soprano a
4' voice, and the contrabass a 16' voice, and each has a bore length
approximately half the "sounding length". The octocontrabass is
presumably a 32' voice, with a "16'" bore.
Second approximation: those bore lengths are all off a bit, because
(a) the soprano only descends to D3, instead of 4' C (aka C3), so is
a bit shorter, (b) the bass clarinet if extended to low C (written)
actually reaches concert Bb (Bb1, 16' Bb) and has a length more like
4.5', although it is really an 8' voice, (c) the extended contrabass
hits Bb0 (32' Bb), and has a bore of about 9'. I assume the
octocontrabass has a bore of about 18', in order to reach Bb-1 (64'
I suspect that the confusion arises because in fact the contrabass
and octocontrabass are extended to low C (written), sounding the Bb
of the octave below. Thus, the contrabass reaches the 32' octave Bb
(a 7th above the 32' C), and the octocontrabass reaches the 64'
octave Bb (one step below the 32' C). To actually reach the 64' C,
we'd need an instrument nearly twice the size of the octocontrabass,
with a 32' bore length and an inner diameter of around 3". If that
instrument was extended to low C (written), it would reach Bb-2, the
128' Bb (about 7.3 Hz).
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