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From: LeliaLoban
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:24:22 EST
Subject: [CB] octobass clarinetRegarding the idea of a co-owned octocontrabass clarinet, who would agree to
insure it? And what might the insurance cost? I think the group needs to
find out before deciding whether or not to pursue this idea. The idea of
failing to insure such an expensive purchase seems unthinkable to me. A lot
can go wrong with an instrument that's co-owned and being shipped hither and
thither. I'm not an attorney or an insurance expert, but I think that
failing to reveal to the insurance company at the outset that the instrument
is co-owned by a number of people would void the contract, in the event that
the group tried to collect on the policy. Then, too, what happens if the
person in temporary possession of the group-owned instrument commits some
sort of negligence with it that voids the insurance contract, thus making it
impossible for the group as a whole to collect? I hate to play the
squealing, high-pitched whine of the party-pooper, but the idea of co-owning
a rare and valuable instrument, though beguiling in the extreme, sounds
impractical to me, and these are among the many reasons.Lelia
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 16:33:55 -0700
From: Grant Green
Subject: Re: [CB] octobass clarinet
>Regarding the idea of a co-owned octocontrabass clarinet, who would agree to
>insure it? And what might the insurance cost? I think the group needs to
>find out before deciding whether or not to pursue this idea. The idea of
>failing to insure such an expensive purchase seems unthinkable to me. A lotThis is another reason why I think that a non-profit foundation (or
similar entity) is the way to go. A non-profit corporation is
legally a "person", and would technically own the instrument(s).
Insuring the instrument(s) would be part of its duties, paid for out
of whatever endowment or funding we can scrape up and/or user fees
for the orchestras/bands/universities that lease it from time to time.I have a brother-in-law in the insurance industry: I'll see what he
thinks is available.Grant
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---------------------------------------------------------From: SEMarcus
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:22:45 EST
Subject: [CB] Reconditioning the Beasts (was Contra gig in Chicago, et al.)In a message dated 1/9/01 4:48:49 PM, chas_a_king writes:
>Hopefully
>someday somebody with a little vision will wind up in
>a position at Leblanc to do something with the old
>beasts.Maybe, while they're at it, someone can convince Sandy Feldstein, the
president of Carl Fischer, to have their twin of the Harvard subcontrabass
tuba reconditioned.Steve Marcus
BBb Bass, Prairie Brass Band
Director of Sales, THE BEAUTIFUL SOUND, INC. (630) 325-9999---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:54:30 -0500
From: "John Webster"
Subject: Re: [CB] Great Wall UpdateI'm sorry it is being delayed since I have a trip to China scheduled for May and was hoping that i might luck out on the timing. Keep us informed on what develops.
John---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:42:57 -0500
From: "John Webster"
Subject: Re: [CB] octobass clarinetThere would be a lot of problems, but the insurance would not be a major consideration, as long as you tell the insurer what the facts are. I have riders on my instrument and clocks, If I were using the instruments professionally (as opposed to amature) the rate would be higher because of the greater risk, but the coverage is readily availavble.
John---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 01:11:07 +0000
From: Terje Lerstad
Subject: Re: [CB] Octocontrabass clarinet
Opusnandy
> In a message dated 1/6/01 8:09:57 AM, tlerstad writes:
>
> <<The situation now is that nobody can make it, and there are not
>
> even people who can make contraalto and contrabass, because they have not
> trained
>
> any new people, and the 3 people who can make them are either pensioned or
> lives
>
> outside France.>>
>
> I spoke with a representative from Leblanc at the Mid-West Band and Orchestra
> Clinic in Chicago a couple of weeks ago about the contra situation. He said
> that Leblanc is still making the contraalto and contrabasses in Paris
> (however the keywork is now made in Kenosha, Wisconsin). Indeed all four
> styles of contra's were in their most current catalog. Are reports of the
> contras' death greatly exaggerated, or was the Leblanc rep referring to
> Vito's? (The picture's in the catalog were of the metal, paperclip style
> contras that Leblanc has always made.)
>
> Jon Carreira
> ----------------------
> end contrabass listSorry, he is a bit mislead by some authourities: the keywork is supposed
to be made in Kenosha, Wisconsin, but still nobody knows how to make it
(this is difficult handcraft). So you have to wait at least 4 years if
you want a new contra. The problem is so great already that it is
difficult (or nearly imposible) to get even a basset horn in Paris (from
Leblanc, I mean)). With a lot of people on this list making pressure on
them, we could do something.Terje Lerstad
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 01:09:20 +0000
From: Terje Lerstad
Subject: Re: [CB] Octocontrabass clarinet
bitwise wrote:
> A question: Does the Guinness Book of World Records say the
> octocontrabass goes to 64' C? Bass clarinet is a four-foot tube
> that sounds in the 8' register, contrabass is an eight-foot tube that
> sounds 16' - shouldn't the octo be a 16' tube sounding 32'?
> Additionally, 64' C would be about 8 Hz.
>
> The last edition of the Book of World Records that I saw (several
> years ago) listed what was then called a sub-contrabass clarinet
> descending to 16 Hz (32') - and gave the title of lowest-pitched
> woodwind (and lowest-pitched non-keyboard instrument) to
> something called a "sub-double-contrabassoon", which went to
> 14 Hz (!)
>
> I infer that the sub-contrabass was straight, as the article said the
> player had to stand up. It also was evidently extended to concert
> C0, rather than the next-lowest Bb (14.56 Hz in equal-temp).
>
> CraigAs I said, the Guiness' Book of Records is wrong: The octocontrabass
clarinet, which I myself have played in Paris in 1979 went to low
(written) C, sounding Bb (14.56 Hz). We don't know axactly about to
subcontrabassoon, since no instrument has survived (it was made in the
19th century), but it seems that it only went to low (sounding) C. So
the octocontrabass clarinet is the lowest.Terje Lerstad
PS Sorry that I answer all the letters, but this is important to me.
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 01:15:00 +0000
From: Terje Lerstad
Subject: Re: [CB] octobass clarinetTom Izzo wrote:
> > A sudden thought: why do we think that Lucien Calliet's octocontralto
> > was not made by Leblanc? Didn't he work with Leblanc on their
> > contrabass and contra-alto design?
>
> Yes he did. I thought it was a G Leblanc, but as primarily a Brass plasyer,
> the memory banks may have slipped over time (mine, not his).
>
> TomFine, then we maybe know all the 3 octocontraaltos: 1 in the Leblanc
office in Paris,1 was Léon Leblanc's personal instrument (he created
that together with the technical genius Houvenagel), and the other is
some place in Philadelfia. My question is still:is there anyone out
there near Philadelfia who knows anything ?? Thanks, Tom
for the information, anyway.Terje Lerstad
PS Where is Léon Leblanc's instrument now ? I'll try to do something
when I go to Paris in march (for me Paris is much nearer than
Philadelfia)---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 01:12:45 +0000
From: Terje Lerstad
Subject: Re: [CB] octobass clarinet
LeliaLoban wrote:
> Regarding the idea of a co-owned octocontrabass clarinet, who would agree to
> insure it? And what might the insurance cost? I think the group needs to
> find out before deciding whether or not to pursue this idea. The idea of
> failing to insure such an expensive purchase seems unthinkable to me. A lot
> can go wrong with an instrument that's co-owned and being shipped hither and
> thither. I'm not an attorney or an insurance expert, but I think that
> failing to reveal to the insurance company at the outset that the instrument
> is co-owned by a number of people would void the contract, in the event that
> the group tried to collect on the policy. Then, too, what happens if the
> person in temporary possession of the group-owned instrument commits some
> sort of negligence with it that voids the insurance contract, thus making it
> impossible for the group as a whole to collect? I hate to play the
> squealing, high-pitched whine of the party-pooper, but the idea of co-owning
> a rare and valuable instrument, though beguiling in the extreme, sounds
> impractical to me, and these are among the many reasons.
>
> LeliaThe latest I know is that (according to Vito Pascucci) they will try to
make contras in Kenosha, Wisconsin in 3-4 years (I doubt it). The new
price now would be ca. $ 11,500 for a contrabass, so I think an
octocontra would be about $ 50,000 (It's a pity that I didn't manage to
buy the Paris octo for $7,500 in 1981 (silver-plated, to low C!)).Terje Lerstad
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