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From: "Merlin Williams"
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:30:12 -0500
Subject: Re:Grant,
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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:17:34 -0500
From: michael c grogg
Subject: Re: [CB] Please Talk Me Down.> For us woodwind types, could you elaborate on the differences
> between the Saxhorn family and the Horn family? Thanks,
>
> GeoVirtually None. The two branches of the Brass family are the Bugles and
Trumpets. Bugles were and are more or less conical from mouthpiece to
bell, with allowances for the valve sections in modern instruments.
Cornets, alto horns, baritones, euphoniums, tubas, helicons, sousaphones
are all examples. Adolph Sax invented a family of similar looking brass
instruments in variations from small Eb and Bb soprano instruments (very
similar in bore and bell size to current trumpets and cornets), all the
way to ContraBass tuba size instruments.Some categorize tubas and euphoniums as Saxhorns due to the similar
appearance, but there were other contemporary makers of similar shaped
instruments during Sax's time, Sax was just the most prominent maker and
perhaps the most ambitious at marketing his wares. The Horn is also
conical, but at a more gradual rate of taper until the last few inches
when the bell flare occurs.Natural Trumpets were cylindrical almost to the bell flare, and the
modern varieties maintain that tradition. Trombones are close to
cylindrical as well, although some of the modern "dual bore" instruments
make a modest attempt at being conical to warm up the sound somewhat.Michael Grogg
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From: Grant Green
Subject: Re: [CB] Museums
>Has anyone seen the Musee de Instruments de Musique in Bruxelles, and is it
>worth giving up one of a four day trip to Paris to see it (instead of
>visiting Chartres)?
>
>Robert HoweSee both. ;-) Surely there is something in Paris that you can give
up instead?Here's the web site for the museum (MiM)
http://www.mim.fgov.be/home_uk.htm. It has a QuickTime "virtual
tour", so you can preview the site. Once you get to the QuickTime
image, you can drag the mouse cursor to steer the image, hit "shift"
to zoom in, and "Control" to zoom out (at least on the Mac that's how
it works).Enjoy!
Grant
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---------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:00:49 -0800
From: bitwise
Subject: Re: [CB] Please Talk Me Down.Regarding various brasswinds and their development:
I read somewhere that the modern trumpet is actually a soprano
trombone with valves instead of a slide, and that the trombone
itself is not a direct descendant of the sackbutt, but is derived
from other sources. Has anyone else heard of this?Personally, I prefer the sound of natural trumpets and sackbutts
to their 'modern' counterparts, but then I also prefer viols to violins.
The six-stringed bass viol runs rings around the four- (or five-)
stringed contrabass violin.By the way, Grant - to the best of my knowledge, "russian bassoon"
is a linguistic variant (like 'angle horn' - 'cor anglais' - 'english
horn', as you cite).Craig
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 08:57:02 -0500
From: "John Webster"
Subject: Re: [CB] Please Talk Me Down.Thank you for that explaination. John
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:57:29 -0500
From: Andrew Stiller
Subject: Re:Grant, you should be aware, FWIW, that all messages sent out to the list
under your name contain sufficient encoding errors (eight of them) that
Eudora questions their viability. I don't know if this has anything to do
with your administration woes, but it should be looked into in any event.
Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Presshttp://www.netcom.com/~kallisti
Ut Sol inter planetas, Ita MUSICA inter Artes liberales in medio radiat.
--Heinrich Schuetz, 1640
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:21:37 -0500
From: Andrew Stiller
Subject: Re: [CB] Please Talk Me Down.>Regarding various brasswinds and their development:
>I read somewhere that the modern trumpet is actually a soprano
>trombone with valves instead of a slide,This is an oversimplification. The Medieval trumpet originally was a fixed,
S-shaped tube that could play only the harmonic series of one fundamental.
In the early 15th c., a slide was introduced in the form of a straight
shank between the mouthpiece and the body of the instrument. To play
different notes, you moved the whole body of the instrument back and forth
with one hand while keeping the mouthpiece firmly against your lips w. two
fingers of the other hand. The idea was that you would move the instrument
as seldom as possible, relying on the slide rather in the same way that
later instruments relied on changing crooks. The sackbut was (it is
presumed) invented on the model of these slide trumpets, which predate it.
The slide trumpet remained in use right up to the end of the seventeenth
century: Purcell wrote for them under the name of "flatt trumpets.">and that the trombone
>itself is not a direct descendant of the sackbutt, but is derived
>from other sources. Has anyone else heard of this?This is simply not true. In fact, the evolution of one into the other was
so very gradual that it is impossible to draw a line between them.> to the best of my knowledge, "russian bassoon"
>is a linguistic variant (like 'angle horn' - 'cor anglais' - 'english
>horn', as you cite).
>
>CraigThere is no historical evidence whatsoever to support the "cor anglé"
folk-etymology. The instrument is called "English" (not angled) in every
language from the very beginning.Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Presshttp://www.netcom.com/~kallisti
Ut Sol inter planetas, Ita MUSICA inter Artes liberales in medio radiat.
--Heinrich Schuetz, 1640
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:53:24 -0700
From: Grant Green
Subject: Re: [CB] encoding errors
>Grant, you should be aware, FWIW, that all messages sent out to the list
>under your name contain sufficient encoding errors (eight of them) that
>Eudora questions their viability. I don't know if this has anything to do
>with your administration woes, but it should be looked into in any event.Hi Andrew,
I don't think they're related: encoding errors often seem to occur
when one sends a "non-standard" character to the list - and we often
have those. Other errors appear sporadically.Grant
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---------------------------------------------------------From: WilPryde
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:26:33 EST
Subject: [CB] Question...How do I get off this list?
~WilPryde
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From: Grant Green
Subject: Re: [CB] Question...
>How do I get off this list?
>
>~WilPryde-That's all it takes.
Grant
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