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2000-12-11

 
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:29:48 +0000
From: Lawrence de Martin
Subject: Re: [CB] Musee v. Cathedrale

Robert Howe wrote

> Has anyone seen the Musee de Instruments de Musique in Bruxelles, and is it
> worth giving up one of a four day trip to Paris to see it (instead of
> visiting Chartres)?

When I visited Chartres I happened to catch a chorale dress rehearsal with full
organ.  That beats looking through glass at instruments!  See if you can check the
schedule before making that decision.  Hey, even the sound of footsteps in all
that space surrounded by rock and glass is awesome.

Larry de Martin
 

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Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:31:44 -0800
From: David Flager
Subject: Re: [CB] [Contra Digest]

"Please do not confuse the Tuba with the Sousaphone."...blah, blah.

TOM, YOU ARE SUCH A SNOB.
What you stated cannot possibly seperate the facts that the BBb tuba &
the BBb sousaphone are both played identically & are made from the very
same materials, played by the same individual & they have the exact same
fingering & Range.

Tubadave
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From: CoolStu67
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:07:00 EST
Subject: Re: [CB] Please Talk Me Down.
 
 

For a Brass player, The Contrabass Clarinet is closer to a Bass Sax, than a
Tuba is to a Sousaphone. :-)


I find that unbelievable considering any tuba player can play sousaphone
without difficulty with sounding the exact same, but when I switch from sax
to CbCl I have to change mindset, mouthpiece, reed, and play different music
(as they sound completely different).
Stuart
 

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:24:53 +0100
From: "Klaus Bjerre"
Subject: Re: [CB] Please Talk Me Down.

Having both a 4 valve York Master 4/4 tuba and borewise but bell- and
weightwise larger/heavier Conn 40K sousa I must say, that I consider them
both as tubas. The York being the lighter/brighter horn, the 40K being the
darker basso fundamentale.

Klaus
 

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Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:36:58 -0500
From: michael c grogg
Subject: [CB] Please Knock Me Down.

> Please do not confuse the Tuba with the Sousaphone.
> The Sousaphone is a member of the Saxhorn family (Cornets,
> Baritones,  Mellophones, "Modern" Bass Horns, etc)
> The Tuba is a member of the Horn family (Orchestral Horns, Euphonia,
> Descant Horns, etc).

I don't think so Tim.  All of the Saxhorns, Baritones, Euphonia, Tubas,
Sousaphones, Helicons etc. are members of the Cornet family, or perhaps
more correctly the BUGLE.  The only resemblance of a Sousphone to an
orchestral horn is the somewhat round shape.  All of the above are
considered conical bored instruments.  (even  the Orchestral Horns)

Trumpets are mostly cylinder bore, as are some of the bastard Marching
Band instruments of recent times like Tromboniums etc.

> For a Brass player, The Contrabass Clarinet is closer to a Bass Sax,
> than a  Tuba is to a Sousaphone. :-)

About like saying a Toad is closer to a Saxophone than a Frog because it
has warts.  Sorry, wrong answer!

MG
 

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 07:22:53 +0100
From: Drake Mabry
Subject: Re: [CB] [Contra Digest]

For Robert Howe,

    Everyone I know says that the Musée in Bruxelles is fantastic. The postcard I
have of the twelve serpents is very impressive. Well worth a detour. Check on the
opening times if you go during the winter months.
    However, if the weather is clear and sunny the Cathedral at Chartres is very
strong competition. My first time there I arrived in the morning and stayed until
night mostly to look at the stained glass window as it transformed depending on
the changing angle of sunlight during the day.
    What a choice to have to make!

    Drake
 

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From: "George Wright"
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:40:38 -0500
Subject: RE: [CB] Please Talk Me Down.

[...]
> Please do not confuse the Tuba with the Sousaphone.
> The Sousaphone is a member of the Saxhorn family (Cornets, Baritones,
> Mellophones, "Modern" Bass Horns, etc)
> The Tuba is a member of the Horn family (Orchestral Horns,
> Euphonia, Descant
> Horns, etc).

For us woodwind types, could you elaborate on the differences between
the Saxhorn family and the Horn family?  Thanks,

Geo

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:54:24 -0500
From: "John Webster" <
Subject: Re: RE: [CB] Please Talk Me Down.

I didn't know I was confused until this AM.  I will seek help from one of our french hornpalyers who (he cliams) knows everything.  John.  (I always thought the sousaphone was a tuba with the bell up.)

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From: Opusnandy
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:56:48 EST
Subject: Re: [CB] (several subjects)

In a message dated 12/10/00 8:00:32 AM, tlerstad writes:

<< Unfortunately, after Vito took over Leblanc, Leon Leblanc died at the age of 99 and
the factory in France was closed, the only Ab Boehm system clarinets are made
by Orsi, Italy.

Terje Lerstad >>

Terje,

Now that the Leblanc factory in France is closed, do you know where the
octocontraalto and octocontrabass clarinets are being kept?  I am traveling
to France next year and was hoping to get to take a look at these at the
Leblanc factory.  Now that it is closed, do these instruments still even
exist?

Jonathan Carreira
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From:(Louis Rugani)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:59:00 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [CB] Hosaphone

Who'll be the first to develop a contraophihosicleide?
http://www.roth-music.com/hosaphone/

Regards....
Lou
~~~~~~~~~~~~  =[]=  ~~~~~~~~~~~~

The opposite of bravery is not cowardice, but conformity.
       - Robert Anthony

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From: CoolStu67
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:27:33 EST
Subject: Re: [CB] (several subjects)
 

<<Now that the Leblanc factory in France is closed,>>

I'd like to open this issue a little more. Is it really closed? Meaning,
confirmed by a press release from Leblanc? And what will this mean for this
historically quality-ridden company? It's well known that when instruments
start getting made on a conveyer belt, that the results really aren't great.
Where are the instruments made now? And why do the instruments say Leblanc
France, as opposed to Leblanc Korea/China/Guatemala (or whatever)? Is the
company receiving any pressure from the instrumentalists of the world that
endorse them? And why would they cut contra production? Don't they know that
instruments become extinct when they aren't produced anymore?
Have fun with these questions!
Stuart
 

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:44:35 -0700
From: Grant Green

I have received a question I can't answer: where does the "Russian
bassoon" (basson russe) get its name?  It was apparently invented by
a French serpent player while in London.

Baines says (in "Brass Instruments, Their History and Development"):
"Some were made of brass or copper: firstly the species invented by
the French serpentist Frichot while in refuge in London in the 1790s,
built in a tall 'V' and the first model to have the name 'Bass horn'.
This was copied by some makers on the Continent, as Sattler in
Leipzig, but in Germany as a whole this name came into wider use than
the actual instrument and nomenclature became very muddled.  Thus
Schott: 'Russiches Basshorn, dragon or plain bell' (wooden basson
russe); cf. "Metall Serpent or basson russe of brass' (variety of
Bass horn)."  Still, he does not say where the term *Russian* (or
russe) comes from.  Is this another case like the "angle horn" ->
"cor anglais" metamorphosis?

Grant
 

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:48:55 -0500
From: Feodor
Subject: Re: [CB] (several subjects)
Reply-To: contra-priv5@contrabass.com
 

Opusnandy wrote:

> In a message dated 12/10/00 8:00:32 AM, tlerstad writes:
> << Unfortunately, after Vito took over Leblanc, Leon Leblanc died at the age
> of 99 and
> the factory in France was closed, the only Ab Boehm system clarinets are
> made by Orsi, Italy.

As well as by Ripamonti, Italy....

Feodor

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 17:53:15 -0500
From: Andrew Stiller
Subject: Re: [CB] Please Talk Me Down.

>The Tuba is a member of the Horn family

Nonsense. And the only difference between the sousaphone and an orchl. tuba
is the shape into wh. it is thrown. Families of wind insts. are not
differentiated on such a basis, otherwise the straight soprano sax would be
in a different family from the curved one.
 

Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Press

http://www.netcom.com/~kallisti

Ut Sol inter planetas, Ita MUSICA inter Artes liberales in medio radiat.
--Heinrich Schuetz, 1640
 

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