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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 16:01:46 -0800
From: David Flager <tubadave@jps.net>
Subject: [CB] reply
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comThis sounds very interesting. I have a French Horn suitable for
experimentation. Do you have pictures? Drawings? Where does one obtain a
slide, other than hacking a trombone? Was it a tenor slide? Are there any
uses for the remaining fh parts?Yeh! put them on the trombone parts.
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:19:04 -0500
From: Topper <leo_g@carroll.com>
Subject: Re: [CB] reply
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comAt 04:01 PM -0800 3/5/01, David Flager wrote:
>This sounds very interesting. I have a French Horn suitable for
>experimentation. Do you have pictures? Drawings? Where does one obtain a
>slide, other than hacking a trombone? Was it a tenor slide? Are there any
>uses for the remaining fh parts?
>
>Yeh! put them on the trombone parts.I have at least three slides suitable for experimentation. Shall I go
digging in the boneyard?I Have a single piston valve from a Getzen Marching Horn which might work
if you want to have a 4th jumpdown trigger. Or you can used straight tubing
and mount a non-sliding extension along the slide.
Cheers, Leo
Autions' Underway: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/leo_g@carroll.com/
"You Take The High Notes" http://helius.carroll.com/p/leo_g/ Our musical
instruments, parts, tools, classical LP, 1800's and 1900's piano music and
with violin editions. A family collection for sale and auction. Items for
sale date from before 1813 to 1987. Please bookmark or link page as new
items are catalogued weekly. Links will be exchanged upon request. I am
especially interested in Musical Instrument History and technical data.
Please email me with interesting links. Thank you:-) Leo
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From: Fmmck@aol.com
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 21:19:36 EST
Subject: Re: [CB] What is the cheapest Contra Instrument
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comIn a message dated 3/4/00 12:25:38 PM, ArcLucifer@aol.com writes:
<< I was just wondering how much everybody thought that the cheapest contra
instrument would be. At the moment, I just looked at that Reed Contrabass on
e-bay which is going for $630 at the moment. >>Jacob-
I couldn't find the Reed Contrabass you refer to, but I did find "Excellent
Condition" CONTRA ALTO CLARINET, E-Bay Item #274948789. It is currently only
up to $237.06, but this auction has 8 days to go.A few months back, I bought a Selmer Bundy EEb Contra Alto Clarinet on E-Bay,
for just under $1000. (It was in better condition than the one above.) At
that time, either the Vito or the Bundy (plastic) EEb Contra Alto Clarinets
were going for under $900. Unless you get one with a serious problem, I
think these are great prices. I believe these instruments go for around
$2000 new, maybe more.One thing that makes the EEb Contra Alto such a bargain is its lower
popularity. There seem to be fewer parts written for the EEb compared to the
BBb Contra Bass Clarinet. (Similarly, the Eb Alto Clarinet has fewer parts
written for it in recent years.) However, it seems to me that the EEb would
be able to play the Eb Baritone Saxophone parts. I understand it is possible
to read Bass Clef Tuba parts (key of C) on the EEb as if it were the Treble
Clef, if you add three sharps. If you are good at transposing, you might
play the more common BBb parts, taking the lowest notes up an octave.Fred McKenzie
MMB
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 19:26:30 -0800
From: Grant Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
Subject: Re: [CB] The cheapest Contra Instrument
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comAt 12:24 PM 3/4/00 -0500, you wrote:
>I was just wondering how much everybody thought that the cheapest contra
>instrument would be. At the moment, I just looked at that Reed Contrabass on
>e-bay which is going for $630 at the moment. I wonder what other people think
>the cheapest instrument would be??Depending on the definition... My guess would be bass guitar - there are
some *really* cheap ones around. If you want to limit it to wind
instruments, I'd have to say either a Jupiter BBb tuba [NOTE: these are no longer as
inexpensive as I remembered - now listing for about US$1.6K @ WW&BW], or a
Huang double bass harmonica.Enjoy!
Grant
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Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:18:56 -0500
From: michael c grogg <mgrogg@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [CB] Contrabass traumahorn
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com> Two ignorant questions:
> If you stick a bassoon bocal on a trombone, how can you push the
> slide out far enough?You play it kind of side saddle, and it helps to have long arms.
> Same with the tuba and contrabassoon bocal; the contrabassoon bocal
> will put the tuba pretty far out-of-reach. And do these things really play?Not that far out of reach, the valves are still playable. Yes it is
playable, albeit with a very limited range of an octave with a 5 valve CC tuba.> Sarah
>
> And if you put an oboe reed on a French horn?????????????I would recommend an English horn reed. You will be starting with a
fundimental of Bb on the high side of the horn, and a fundimentall of F
on the lowside. Since you would have what amounts to two three valve
instruments with slightly overlapping ranges your total range would still
only be about an octave.Michael
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---------------------------------------------------------Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 00:39:24 -0800
From: jim & joyce <lande@erols.com>
Subject: [CB] assisted hornicide
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comLawrence
>> I have a French Horn suitable for
>>experimentation. Do you have pictures? Drawings?
>>Where does one obtain a slide, other than hacking a trombone?No evidence of the traumahorn survives (and the statute of limitates is up, anyway.)
A friend had already converted the french horn into a straight
horn. I think he simply sawed off the leads to the valves and
then stuck in brass tube. I got the trombone slide from a small
repair shop. (The guy ddin't even seem interested in why I only
wanted the slide. He pulled one from a shelf and sold it to me
for $35 -- but that was 1972, so I guess you should figure on a
$100. I'll bet that brass shops replace a lot of slides on
student horns. In fact, I bet you could get a shop to do the
whole thing for you. My impression is that a good brass shop is
always fabricating replacement parts for horn. This shouldn't
even be that hard. I suppose someone on the list could even
suggest how much tubing needs to be spiced in so that the horn
plays in pitch. (And if they are wrong, it won't matter.)jim
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From: "Mark Trinko" <mtrinko@prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 23:49:22 -0800
Subject: [CB] Low drums
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comI gotta tell you about this awesome show on the strip in Las Vegas. It is the Blue Man Group at Luxor. The price is $69.50 but I would pay over a hundred for it again!
There must be 10 different drummers. You can feel the vibrations of the low stuff throughout the theater. Not only is it music, but visuals, funny, etc. Truly the best show I have ever seen on the Las Vegas strip!
I recommend that you get tickets for the first 4 rows and then you get issued a poncho. I also recommend that you take whoever you would like to mud wrestle with. Definitely not a first date thing if you have your nose in the air.
God it was GREAT!
Mark Trinko
MTrinko@Prodigy.net---------------------------------------------------------
From: "Musicstudents.com" <jonsmith@access1.net>
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 00:20:01 -0800
Subject: [CB] introduction
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comHello, Contrabass Musicians
A welcome e--mail just caught up with me saying I might want to introduce myself after being added to your list.
I am a hobbyist musician that owns his own BBb contrabass clarinet. I played bass clarinet for a few years but volunteered to play contra on one selection in community band. After that bass clarinet never seemed so great. I don't play contra all the time but love it when I do get it out. I have a Vito.
Right now I am trying to get a feel for doing jazz bass lines on it.
I am also doing a web site for rehearsing called www.musicstudents.com which lets you download some sheet music and a matching soundfile of the accompaniment. The good part is I do charts for most common instruments, and there are some parts for contras and bass clarinets of all sizes. And bass clef parts, usually in the cello/trombone/bassoon range. So, if playing those bass lines is getting boring, consider playing them along with the melodic instruments. It's like music minus one with a new piece each week or so.
Jonathan Smith
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From: "Musicstudents.com" <jonsmith@access1.net>
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 00:26:56 -0800
Subject: Re: [CB] What is the cheapest Contra Instrument
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comVito Contra-alto EEb is under $1500 new at Woodwind and Brasswind.
Contrabass BBb (Vito) is about $2300.As for parts they'll play, a regular Bb Bass clarinet will play Bari sax
parts if you transpose them. So, the EEb contra will play Bari parts without
transposition and will reach down to bass sax range. And the BBb contra will
reach down lower than the bass sax into uncharted territory.Jonathan
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www.musicstudents.com> In a message dated 3/4/00 12:25:38 PM, ArcLucifer@aol.com writes:
>
> << I was just wondering how much everybody thought that the cheapest contra
> instrument would be. At the moment, I just looked at that Reed Contrabass on
> e-bay which is going for $630 at the moment. >>
>
> Jacob-
>
> I couldn't find the Reed Contrabass you refer to, but I did find "Excellent
> Condition" CONTRA ALTO CLARINET, E-Bay Item #274948789. It is currently only
> up to $237.06, but this auction has 8 days to go.
>
> A few months back, I bought a Selmer Bundy EEb Contra Alto Clarinet on E-Bay,
> for just under $1000. (It was in better condition than the one above.) At
> that time, either the Vito or the Bundy (plastic) EEb Contra Alto Clarinets
> were going for under $900. Unless you get one with a serious problem, I
> think these are great prices. I believe these instruments go for around
> $2000 new, maybe more.
>
> One thing that makes the EEb Contra Alto such a bargain is its lower
> popularity. There seem to be fewer parts written for the EEb compared to the
> BBb Contra Bass Clarinet. (Similarly, the Eb Alto Clarinet has fewer parts
> written for it in recent years.) However, it seems to me that the EEb would
> be able to play the Eb Baritone Saxophone parts. I understand it is possible
> to read Bass Clef Tuba parts (key of C) on the EEb as if it were the Treble
> Clef, if you add three sharps. If you are good at transposing, you might
> play the more common BBb parts, taking the lowest notes up an octave.
>
> Fred McKenzie
> <A HREF="http://www.dreamnetstudios.com/music/mmb/index.htm">MMB</A>
> ----------------------
> end contrabass list
>---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 21:27:37 -0500
From: michael c grogg <mgrogg@juno.com>
Subject: [CB] assisted hornicide
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com> >> I have a French Horn suitable for
> >>experimentation. Do you have pictures? Drawings?
> >>Where does one obtain a slide, other than hacking a trombone?//** DISCLAIMER**//
No musical instruments or cute fuzzy little animals were harmed in this
exercise. They may have altered states and emotions, but that can be
taken care of with therapy.
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-----------------My own similar Slide Mellophone came about more deliberately. About 3
years ago I played a job with a group from London Ontario. We were
playing 1860's era music on original period instruments, including a
consort of Over the Shoulder Saxhorns. At the time I fell in love with
the Bass that I played, but also took note of the general size and layout
of the baritone and alto OTS horns as well.I month or so later I was out with a friend and we came across a
restoreable tuba in a flea market/antique mall. In the same mall was
also a student level tenor trombone.Some months later, over a long Memorial day weekend I had too much time
on my hands, and decided to build an alto OTS horn of my own. The bell
section from the tenor trombone came to eye, and the valve section from a
mellophone I had rescued from a Salvation Army store looked right as
well. I unsoldered the braces, and detached the valve section where the
tubing leaves the third valve for the bell. On the trombone bell, I
detached the last length of tube with the flange and nut to connect to
the slide. From there I soldered the valve section to the remaining bell
section, and then spent some time making new braces to hold the thing
together. I used the stantions from the mellophone braces, and cut
pieces of 1/8 and 3/16 brass brazing rod to lenth and soldered them
together.The Alto OTS horn plays surprisingly well. The mellophone was in F, with
a piggy back slide on the main slide to play in Eb. Depending on the
state of the slides, it plays well in F or Eb in high pitch. With the
tuning slide pulled out almost to the end on the trombone bell section,
the horn plays in F or Eb in modern pitch. The mellophone valve slides
are made long to be pulled for different keys, so they can be tuned as
well. From a reasonable distance the horn looks quite authentic, and
could be used to play Civil war era music etc. In comparing the playing
characteristics with the original we played, the homebrew horn plays
better in tune than the 1860 original.With this project done, I was left with a Mellophone bell and a trombone
slide. I soldered the section of trombone bell with the flange and nut
to the small end of the Mellophone bell and assembled it to the slide,
and was shocked to find that it played Bb in tune in modern pitch. The
sound is more "mellow" hence the slide mellophone designation.On the cost side, I paid $50 for the trombone, I paid perhaps $15 for the
mellophone, and about $3 for some lengths of brass brazing rod from my
local welding supply. I still have most of the brazing rod left. I
spent perhaps 5 hours fiddling around with the arrangement of braces on
the OTS horn untill I was happy with how it looked, and about 10 minutes
assembling the Slide mellophone.All I have left are a few braces and a lyre holder from the mellophone,
and the remaining brazing rods. No duct tape was used in this project.
Soldering and torch work was done with proper ventilation and no grass
fires were started. Contents may settle during shipment. Standard
disclaimers apply.Michael Grogg
Clearwater, FL
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---------------------------------------------------------From: Heliconman@aol.com
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 10:32:18 EST
Subject: [CB] Trombone Slides
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comIn a message dated 03/04/2000 7:19:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
leo_g@carroll.com writes:<< I have at least three slides suitable for experimentation. Shall I go digging in the boneyard? >>
While you folks are looking for slides, if you should run across one with an
old style "S" type brace, PLEASE email me!!! I've been looking for an
original type slide for my Conn Innes Model trombone of a 1910-1925 vintage.
The Innes Model has a piston trill valve located where one would normally
find your F trigger. Kinda tricky because the valve cap is very close to your
nose, giving a "thumbing your nose" effect as you trill. Hard to find ANY
Innes models around. I've seen 2 from the same seller and he didn't tell me
he was going to sell the second COMPLETE one, so I have to hunt and pray for
an authentic replacement slide.
I will try to put a couple of pictures up on my website at
<members.aol.com/heliconman/innes1.jpg> and
<members.aol.com/heliconman/innes2.jpg> so we know what to look for.
I also have an older small bore Blessing trombone in need of a coupling that
I will be selling on eBay this week without losing too much sleep over its
being cannibalized or even nailed to a restaurant wall. Might be a good one
to be converted into a sackbut. I need the space and a little cash, so it
goes away.
Thanks for looking for that Innes slide!
Heliconman@aol.com
---------------------------------------------------------From: Heliconman@aol.com
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 10:46:05 EST
Subject: Re: [CB] Low drums
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comIn a message dated 03/05/2000 2:54:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, mtrinko@prodigy.net writes:
<< I gotta tell you about this awesome show on the strip in Las Vegas. It is
the Blue Man Group at Luxor. The price is $69.50 but I would pay over a
hundred for it again!There must be 10 different drummers. You can feel the vibrations of the low
stuff throughout the theater. Not only is it music, but visuals, funny, etc.
Truly the best show I have ever seen on the Las Vegas strip!I recommend that you get tickets for the first 4 rows and then you get
issued a poncho. I also recommend that you take whoever you would like to
mud wrestle with. Definitely not a first date thing if you have your nose in
the air.God it was GREAT! >>
YES!!!
It's been running here in Boston for quite a while and is VERY inventive.
They have a set of PVC pipes that are played by "popping" the end of each
tube with a leather or rubber "flap-paddle" for lack of a better name. They
were on the Tonight Show recently and had Robin Williams swinging upside down
covered in paint, being used as a Human Paintbrush, swinging him into a large
canvas. As the local tv ad says..."What a trip! Pack your bags!" I'm going
for my birthday in a few weeks with any luck!
SEE IT AT LEAST ONCE!
---------------------------------------------------------From: ArcLucifer@aol.com
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 10:59:11 EST
Subject: Re: [CB] The cheapest Contra Instrument
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com>>>Depending on the definition... My guess would be bass guitar - there are some *really* cheap ones around
Its just that none of them get to the UK :0) It's probably just that I
haven't been looking for them anyway.>>I'd have to say either a Jupiter BBb tuba
That kinds of surpass me, I would think tubas to be very expensive. I'm just going to have a quick look on the web for them.
Jacob
---------------------------------------------------------From: ArcLucifer@aol.com
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:00:33 EST
Subject: Re: [CB] The cheapest Contra Instrument
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comSorry about the surpasses in my last e-mail. The spell check put it out for a
bad spelling of surprises and I just hit enter.Jacob
---------------------------------------------------------From: ArcLucifer@aol.com
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:03:24 EST
Subject: Re: [CB] What is the cheapest Contra Instrument
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comI think £1000 is a bit much for a "cheapest" instrument. You can buy a double bass for less!
Jacob
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:25:50 -0500
From: Topper <leo_g@carroll.com>
Subject: Re: [CB] The cheapest Contra Instrument
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comAt 10:59 AM -0500 3/5/00, ArcLucifer@aol.com wrote:
>>>>Depending on the definition... My guess would be bass guitar - there are
>some *really* cheap ones around
>
>Its just that none of them get to the UK :0) It's probably just that I
>haven't been looking for them anyway.
>
>>>I'd have to say either a Jupiter BBb tuba
>
>That kinds of surpass me, I would think tubas to be very expensive. I'm just
>going to have a quick look on the web for them.You might want to try a Sousaphone. They are cheap enough to where you can
do all sorts of things like build and add a slide, a couple extra valves or
even a dual bell, or better yet a belt-driven motorized bell with a
counterweight that rotates on ball bearings, sort of like a Leslie. :-)After one of my Nephews took my BBb Conn Tuba (the bell and branch) and
affixed it to the top of a bass guitar speaker enclosure as the ("extended
range port" - gads!) I suppose anything is possible. Even me putting the
gaurd god near the sousaphones so he won't have at them as well... I
suppose anything is possible.Cheers, Leo
Autions' Underway: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/leo_g@carroll.com/
"You Take The High Notes" http://helius.carroll.com/p/leo_g/ Our musical
instruments, parts, tools, classical LP, 1800's and 1900's piano music and
with violin editions. A family collection for sale and auction. Items for
sale date from before 1813 to 1987. Please bookmark or link page as new
items are catalogued weekly. Links will be exchanged upon request. I am
especially interested in Musical Instrument History and technical data.
Please email me with interesting links. Thank you:-) Leo
---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 11:28:11 -0500
From: Topper <leo_g@carroll.com>
Subject: Re: [CB] What is the cheapest Contra Instrument
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comAt 11:03 AM -0500 3/5/00, ArcLucifer@aol.com wrote:
>I think £1000 is a bit much for a "cheapest" instrument. You can buy a double
>bass for less!Not anything that has character in it... least not here.
Cheers, Leo
Autions' Underway: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/leo_g@carroll.com/
"You Take The High Notes" http://helius.carroll.com/p/leo_g/ Our musical
instruments, parts, tools, classical LP, 1800's and 1900's piano music and
with violin editions. A family collection for sale and auction. Items for
sale date from before 1813 to 1987. Please bookmark or link page as new
items are catalogued weekly. Links will be exchanged upon request. I am
especially interested in Musical Instrument History and technical data.
Please email me with interesting links. Thank you:-) Leo
---------------------------------------------------------
From: ArcLucifer@aol.com
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:43:12 EST
Subject: Re: [CB] What is the cheapest Contra Instrument
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com>>Not anything that has character in it... least not here.
Well, a very good professional soprano recorder costs about £500 (Rule Britannia!!), a top quality Irish whistle costs £50, the best available Jaw harp is £20, a top quality musical saw costs £500 and the list goes on...............
OK, you can't by a Strad. violin for that much, but you can get some other professional instruments. Anyway that post was about price, quality was not really important.
Jacob
---------------------------------------------------------From: ArcLucifer@aol.com
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:45:22 EST
Subject: [CB] Another Spam
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comWe've been hit by another spam!! Grant, is there nothing you can do???
Jacob
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 11:50:56 -0800
From: "Chuck Guzis" <tubastuff@sydex.com>
Subject: Re: [CB] assisted hornicide
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comOn 3/4/00, michael c grogg wrote:
>My own similar Slide Mellophone came about more deliberately. About 3
>years ago I played a job with a group from London Ontario. We were
>playing 1860's era music on original period instruments, including a
>consort of Over the Shoulder Saxhorns. At the time I fell in love with
>the Bass that I played, but also took note of the general size and layout
>of the baritone and alto OTS horns as well...Mike, I for one would love to see a picture or two of both of your creations!
Cheers,
Chuck
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:07:03 -0700 (MST)
From: Shouryu Nohe <jnohe@nmsu.edu>
Subject: [CB] Reno, Nevada!
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comHey all you listserv people whom I know...the Big West tourney is coming
up...and guess who has seniority in the NMSU Roadrunner Revue! Woo hoo!Granted, I won't be playing clarinet, I'll be playing Belldandy, my alto,
and some tenor on the side. However, I WILL be toting HEPBILS, my trusty
Bb clarinet along with me. Must practice, as always, no?Unfortunately, I will not be taking a bass or any contras...it's bad
enough taking three instruments with me.My point? Any of you guys who live in the area, I'd love to meet and
maybe jam with. I'll be arriving this Weds evening and departing the
following Sunday afternoon. Granted, I'll have some of my time tied up
playing for the Aggies and the Lady Eagles (UNT actually HIRED us for
their girls team...yup, we're getting PAID to be their pep band...so now I
have money to gamble...wheee!), but during my free time, I'll probably
spend my time playing. Playing along side with someone I've met on one of
the lists would be pretty cool, in my opinion.Of course, those of you on Ranma ML...probably don't play much, unless
you're Colin....who ISN'T in Reno...doh...ANYWAYS...I'd still love to at least have lunch with any of you who might
be in the area. Email me by tuesday with a way to contact you once I get
there, and we'll make it happen!J. Shouryu Nohe
http://web.nmsu.edu/~jnohe
Professor of SCSM102, New Mexico State Univ.
"If I wanted a 'job,' I'd have gone music ED, thank you very much!"***End of Contrabass Digest***
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