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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 01:27:06 +0000 (GMT)
From: Barrister@slavedriver.co.uk
Subject: Re: Sarrusophone FS
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comListen. That is very, very unwise. These instruments are rare and hard to come by. I am all for extravagant expenses for the sake of a lady, but may I suggest that you sell another, more common instrument of yours. If you've got a clarinet, bassoon or something, go on and sell that. DO NOT SELL THE SARRUSOPHONE. I understand that somebody has bid on it already. My advice is, explain to this person who has the bid that you can't sell it, and, direct him or her to a place where a sarrusophone can be bought, not on Ebay. It's a bad idea to sell a valuable collectable which may be worth millions of dollars when all the sarrusophones except yours have been junked and tossed out.
J. Michael Barrister
-----Original Message-----
>From : Heliconman@aol.com---------------------------------------------------------
To : contrabass@contrabass.com
Date : 10 January 2000 23:58:52
Subject : Re: Sarrusophone FS
>In a message dated 01/10/2000 4:40:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>Opusnandy@aol.com writes:
>
><< Well, I'm hating myself for having to do this, but I'm dating a woman
> deserving the most beautiful engagement ring I can buy. So it is with great
> pain that I am selling my Conn Eb Contrabass Sarrusophone on ebay. The URL
> for the sale is............... >>
>From: LeliaLoban@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:38:35 EST
Subject: Re: Sarrusophone FS
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comJon Carreira wrote,
> Well, I'm hating myself for having to do this, but I'm dating a woman
deserving the most beautiful engagement ring I can buy. So it is with great
pain that I am selling my Conn Eb Contrabass Sarrusophone on ebay.>I hope we're misreading all this. I hope you don't really care about the
sarrusophone that much (since you've got the heckelphone) and the "great
pain" is tongue-in-cheek advertising language. But if you describe the
situation seriously, then I wonder, does this woman know you intend to sell
your sarrusophone to please her? If not, are you sure you know how she might
react? Better ask her first, before you do something this extreme, or you
could end up living out "The Gift of the Magi" or worse. (What if she teases
you about music, but loves the musician in you, and sold something she cares
about to buy you a case for the sarrusophone?)If my husband had done such a thing before we married 30 years ago, and if he
had done it without telling me, on the assumption that I would be pleased,
the gesture would have backfired. I would have been horrified. I would have
seen this grand sacrifice as the worst possible sign that we didn't
understand each other at all, that we had different values and that he wished
for me to play the role of somebody I wasn't. I would have postponed the
engagement to give us time to find out whether we were really that
incompatible. I'm glad nothing like that messed us up, because we're still
in love with each other and very happy after 30 years.Jon Carreira wrote,
>P.S.- she'll never get me to sell the heckelphone! :)>What will she get you to do if she tries? This is absolutely none of my
business, and I'm not asking you to answer this question to the group, but
you might want to ask yourself who's raising such stakes, and why?Michael C. Grogg wrote,
>>You should not have to hate yourself or cause yourself great pain to make
someone else happy. Look for a way to make both of you happy. >>Words of wisdom.
Lelia
"Be careful what you wish for. You might get it."
--Chinese proverb
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:39:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Carole Nowicke <cnowicke@indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Sarrusophone FS
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comOn Tue, 11 Jan 2000 Barrister@slavedriver.co.uk wrote:
> Listen. That is very, very unwise. These instruments are rare and hard
> to come by. I am all for extravagant expenses for the sake of a lady,Eh, any real lady would want the sarrusophone instead of some gaudy gem.
Shoot, no one but jewelers can tell the real ones from the fakes
anyway--not so with a sarrusophone! Anyone can see quality there!Carole, who'd rather have something like a PT-16 Tuba than a lousy ol' ring
cnowicke@indiana.edu <http://php.ucs.indiana.edu/~cnowicke>---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:03:49 -0400
From: "Robert S. Howe" <arehow@vgernet.net>
Subject: Re: Sarrusophone FS
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comOpusnandy@aol.com wrote:
>Well, I'm hating myself for having to do this, but I'm dating a woman
> deserving the most beautiful engagement ring I can buy. So it is with great
> pain that I am selling my Conn Eb Contrabass Sarrusophone on ebay.The urge to please women is great. However, if you really love each
other, it is absurd that you would sell something you love to please
her. If the love is true, she would not let you do so.First call off the sale, and then reconsider the wedding. If you find
after contemplation that you still are committed, I will come and play
the Sarrusophone for you in the processional. Maybe Grant Green and
Michel Jolivet can join me, we can have a quartet!And, can you tell me about the Hecklephone you are selling.....
Robert Howe
---------------------------------------------------------From: Opusnandy@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:21:16 EST
Subject: Re: Sarrusophone FS
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comIn a message dated 1/10/00 5:59:33 PM, Heliconman@aol.com writes:
<< Close the auction! Claim temporary insanity! Take out a loan for the ring! If
you MUST, use the horn as collateral! Borrow from relatives! Get a grant from
a rich music lover! SAVE THE WHALES!!!!!!!
Congrats! She sounds like a prize! Sounds like you found a nice girl too! ;>
Heliconman@aol.com >>Thanks for the encouragement. Much better than the other response I got.
BTW is anyone having trouble accessing the web site with the pictures on it?
I got one response saying they couldn't get to it. If anyone is truly
interested in the horn and can't reach the page with the pictures
(members.aol.com/opusnandy/private), e-mail me and I'll send you the pictures
as an e-mail attachment.Jon
---------------------------------------------------------From: Kadamasuta@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:32:03 EST
Subject: Re: Sarrusophone FS
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comI don't want to offer advise. But since there seems to be an impromptu
chorus, and me being a newcomer to the list I would only like to blend in
where it feels comfortable. Don't sell it. Play it. As a matter of fact keep
your chops up on the hecklephone and the sarusophone. Any woman would want a
better kisser than a silly stone. Remeber what's important it's the tone not
the stone... keep saying it to yourself.
I lost a whole year of practice because of the woman of my dreams about a
year ago. What did it get me? Another year to make up.
---------------------------------------------------------From: Opusnandy@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:55:51 EST
Subject: Re: Sarrusophone FS
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comWow.
OK, the masses have spoken.
Well, a few things to clarify first. As much as I like the sarrusophone,
I always considered it an investment. Of the two rare instruments I own, it
is the one I'm willing to part with. My girlfriend has no idea I'm selling
it, and I don't really intend to tell her (I wouldn't lie if she asked, but
I'm not doing it to impress her). This is strictly a financial move. I
can't really afford any kind of a decent ring at this point and this sale
will help (ah, the life of a starving musician!). Perhaps the sarrusophone
would be better off with one of the many who've told me I'm nuts (ala King
Solomon's wisdom, it should be with the one who loves it most), so please
feel free to bid on it. I'll be happier knowing it is with one of you than
nailed to a wall in some music shop somewhwere.
As for the heckelphone, the last line of my first posting was tounge in
cheek. No one is trying to get me to sell the heckelphone, it isn't for
sale, and, when it comes back from being reconditioned, I'll play it every
day. I'm a bassoonist first. I love my bassoon the most, the heckelphone
next. I do apreciate all the advice on selling the sarrusophone, but I've
made my decision and am sticking with it. Alot of thought went into this.
So go bid and give it a loving home!Jon Carreira,
anyone want to buy an octocontraalto clarinet? (just a joke)
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:57:34 -0500
From: John Howell <John.Howell@vt.edu>
Subject: Contrabass strings
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com>From: bulshevik <bulshevik@home.com>
>I don't know about "triple contrabass", but when I think of viol I think
>of the six (or seven, in French basses) stringed, fretted, upside down
>bowed, gut-stringed instrument played very much like a cello, with no
>peg. A bass viol is about the size of a cello, and I was told that a
>double-bass viol is actually the orchestral "double bass" or "string
>bass". Its similarities to viola da gambas are astounding: the sloping
>top of body; the flat back, the tuning of the strings (in fourths, not
>fifths); and the holding of the bow. So a triple bass viola da gamba
>can only be the grandaddy of the string bass. Am I correct or just
>fumbling around idly?>You're awfully close! Both the violin and viol families developed in the
early 16th century, and by the early 17th both had been extended down to
the contrabass size. (You're right, the "bass" was the cello-sized
instrument in both families.) In "L'Orfeo" (1607) Monteverdi called for
BOTH instruments, and carefully distinguished between the contrabass viol
(violone) and the contrabass violin in the score.What's really interesting is that in a modern orchestra you'll find basses
with both characteristics playing side by side. The violone-shape has
sloped shoulders, a flat back, and an angled section at the top of the
back. The contrabass violin has round shoulders and a carved, curved back
like a violin. What seems to have happened is that since large instruments
(verging on furniture!) are expensive, they got rebuilt rather than
trashed. Berlioz' comments on the bass section of the orchestra are pretty
funny. He says something like, "You will find contrabasses with 3, 4, or 5
strings, using a variety of different tunings. That's good, because on
every note someone may be playing an open string, and be playing in tune."And of course both the overhand and underhand bow grip are still in use by
bass players.John
John & Susie Howell
Virginia Tech Department of Music
Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240
Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034
(mailto:John.Howell@vt.edu)
http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html
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From: Opusnandy@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:35:32 EST
Subject: Sarrusophone Pictures
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comOne last thing about the sarrusophone for sale. It seems I uploaded the
pictures to a web site that no one can access (duh!). However, you can still
see the pictures if you add the pictures file names to the web address I gave
you before (http://members.aol.com/opusnandy/private/)just add one of the following to the above address to see a picture of the
sarrusophone:SarrusBellSide.jpg
SarrusBocalside.jpg
SarrusEngravingdetail.jpg
SarrusFront.jpg
Sarrusincase.jpg
SarrusLHfrontdetail.jpg
SarrusLHthumbdetail15.jpg
SarrusReeds.jpg
SarrusRHfrontdetail.jpg
SarrusRHthumbdetail16.jpg
SarrusBack.jpgEnjoy!
Jon Carreira
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:01:18 -0500
From: bulshevik <bulshevik@home.com>
Subject: changing subscription
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comI will soon be heading back to school, and I would like very much to
enjoy the antics of the contrabass list from there, but I'm subscribed
on my home address. Can anyone tell me how to change my subscription so
I get it at school? Thanx!Abi
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:25:56 -0700
From: Grant Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
Subject: Re: changing subscription
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com>I will soon be heading back to school, and I would like very much to
>enjoy the antics of the contrabass list from there, but I'm subscribed
>on my home address. Can anyone tell me how to change my subscription so
>I get it at school? Thanx!
>
>AbiAll you have to do is send an email to gdgreen@contrabass.com, with
your old email address, your new email address, and whether you're on
digest or immediate. I'll make the changes.Grant
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---------------------------------------------------------From: "Merlin Williams" <merlinw@netcom.ca>
Subject: stupid notation conventions
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:03:50 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comOK, I can deal with playing bass clarinet from concert bass clef parts, Bb bass clef parts, and A treble clef parts, but playing Bass Clarinet in A in bass clef is a royal pain!
I just finished transposing three out of the four movements of a symphony, just so I wouldn't look like a hacker.
Of course the dumbest thing I ever saw a composer do was to assume that all clarinet family members are available in Bb/A. Ever seen a part for Contrabass Clarinet in A? Schoenberg wrote one.
Merlin Williams
http://www.netcom.ca/~merlinw
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