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Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 22:16:15 -0500
From: "farfl's house" <farfl@idirect.ca>
Subject: Gerald Oshita & Sound & Space Ensemble
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comI would also be interested in the CD reissue information for the S&SE LP. If
there is no CD reissued, I'd be happy to burn CDs of the LP if someone wants
to lend me the LP. If the CD is discontinued, and someone wants to lend me
their copy, I'll reciprocate with a CD of the "New Music For Woodwinds &
Voice", also featuring Oshita & Mitchell.
The reason why the poster never saw further references regarding Oshita's work
is that he unfortunately passed away at an early age, from what I believe was
a heart attack.
-Lederman> Its the S&SE CD that has the Conn-O-Sax, played by
> > Gerald Oshita (who also plays the sarrusophone on both discs). The
> > liner notes for both CDs indicate that GO is "an accomplished player
> > of woodwind instruments including the Conn-o-sax and the contrabass
> > sarrusophone, for which he is composing an ongoing cycle of pieces
> > called "New Compositions for Extinct Woodwinds." Unfortunately, I've
> > never found another reference to the work, much less a recording or
> > score...---------------------------------------------------------
From: Kadamasuta@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:27:37 EST
Subject: Re: sarrusophone
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com>>From: "Timothy J. Tikker" <timjt@awod.com>
>>Mitchell's "four compositions" (finally got a copy of the CD), which
>>includes "Prelude" for voice, bass saxophone, contrabass
>>sarrusophone, and triple contrabass viol<<In a message dated 1/8/00 5:52:15 PM, John.Howell@vt.edu writes:
>OK, I'll bite. What exactly do you mean by "triple contrabass viol"?
>Not quite a standard term! And do you mean viol as in viola da gamba or viol
>as in bass viol = contrabass violin?
>
>JohnI'd like to take a stab at this... doesn't this reffer to the extended
fingerboard (E-strng) or fifth string of a Bass (C or B) Tuned in fourths
(EADG) or (CEADG) or even the "contra" to a bass playing part to higher
orchestral solo tuning - or is it the six string short-necked Violone with
the gut stops which are much like frets?I am really not sure. But, I always
thought that contra reffered to the orchestration in the bass section when
the bass is either coupled or bracketed with the cello which is coupled with
the violins. However, I remember there was a double-sized bass (acoustic)
that was proported to "sound" an octave below low E. It took two persons to
play it. One on a ladder doing the fingerwork and a man on the ground using
the bow... (see ISB back issue) That was a (I think 10') "contrabass". I
could not even imagine a 15' one. Besides bial duct dysfunction you would
get a nose bleed on the ladder playing it. Besides, how would you ever get it
on the airplane - do you buy a row of seats, hire a C-14 cargo plane or
simply strap an engine and set of wings to it and fly iy to the gig? :)
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Note: An E five spaces below the Bassus' staff is possible on a stringed
instrument with a long enough scale and extended (actually shortened (or
offset) tailpiece, and a bend up at the scroll to give the string more
tension. but the core and winding has to be heavy but flexible. I have don
this on an electric extra-long scale contra six string upright bass and a
folded 15" cabinet pressed into a corner. However the bow will not move the
string correctly on EE and the fundamental is mostly "imagined" but can make
you quite ill (vomitous and light-headed) if you play it at high volume at EE
unless tuned up to G or A below low A. Then the fundamental is quite clear
but not everyone can hear it. The problem might be in tempering the
fundamental from the harmonic. On some notes from EE to AAb I seem to get a
false harmonic. Instead of the octave I have heard a on ocaasions a fifth, or
at least I thought I have. This also happened when I tried the contrabass cl
for the first and only time. I was doing subtones and regu;ar notes down to
CC and thought that I was actually getting false harmonics because I was
feeling the notes in the bones behing my ears and in my shinbones. Nonethe
less, I find this pleasing to the ear and it's quite easy to discern cents
but some rooms and on certain days there can be problems. Besides the string
bass is unstable and lacks timbre in the low range. Sometimes a wave will go
around to some far corner and retune istself and hit you back and you're not
sure if it is coming from the instrument or some standing box canyon/corner
or reverberating wall.P.S.S. the only contrabass sarrousophone I heard was played by Paul Winter
Consort. The engineer work was not so good but that was before CD.---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:23:38 -0500
From: bulshevik <bulshevik@home.com>
Subject: Re: sarrusophone
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comI don't know about "triple contrabass", but when I think of viol I think
of the six (or seven, in French basses) stringed, fretted, upside down
bowed, gut-stringed instrument played very much like a cello, with no
peg. A bass viol is about the size of a cello, and I was told that a
double-bass viol is actually the orchestral "double bass" or "string
bass". Its similarities to viola da gambas are astounding: the sloping
top of body; the flat back, the tuning of the strings (in fourths, not
fifths); and the holding of the bow. So a triple bass viola da gamba
can only be the grandaddy of the string bass. Am I correct or just
fumbling around idly?>Abi
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From: Opusnandy@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:39:38 EST
Subject: Sarrusophone FS
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comWell, I'm hating myself for having to do this, but I'm dating a woman
deserving the most beautiful engagement ring I can buy. So it is with great
pain that I am selling my Conn Eb Contrabass Sarrusophone on ebay. The URL
for the sale is http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=234944052.
I would love if the instrument ended up in the hands of a contrabass list member
(but of course, the highest bidder wins). There is one picture of the horn at the
Ebay sight, but if you would like to see more, including details of the keys
and engraving, go to http://members.aol.com/opusnandy/private to see ten
more. Happy bidding everyone. I'm going to go play "Mandy Make Up Your
Mind" for old time's sake now.Jon Carreira
P.S.- she'll never get me to sell the heckelphone! :)
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:34:11 -0700
From: Grant Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
Subject: Re: Gerald Oshita & Sound & Space Ensemble
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com>I would also be interested in the CD reissue information for the S&SE LP. If
>there is no CD reissued, I'd be happy to burn CDs of the LP if someone wants
>to lend me the LP. If the CD is discontinued, and someone wants to lend me
>their copy, I'll reciprocate with a CD of the "New Music For Woodwinds &
>Voice", also featuring Oshita & Mitchell.The CD is still available: just found it on CDNow. Search for
"Mitchell, Roscoe", and take the first selection. The CD in question
is "Sound and Space Ensembles", (1993, Black Saint), and includes RM
on alto, bari, bass, etc., and Gerald Oshita on Conn-O-Sax,
sarrusophone, etc., along with others (don't have it handy at the
moment).>The reason why the poster never saw further references regarding Oshita's work
>is that he unfortunately passed away at an early age, from what I believe was
>a heart attack.
>-LedermanI suspected something like that: after a little more searching, I ran
across a "Gerald Oshita Memorial Scholarship" for composers and
artists, that was founded in 1994 by an anonymous donor...Grant
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Grant Green gdgreen@contrabass.com
http://www.contrabass.com
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---------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:40:24 -0700
From: Grant Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
Subject: Re: sarrusophone
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com>In a message dated 1/8/00 5:52:15 PM, John.Howell@vt.edu writes:
> >OK, I'll bite. What exactly do you mean by "triple contrabass viol"? Not
> >quite a standard term! And do you mean viol as in viola da gamba or viol
> >as in bass viol = contrabass violin?
> >
> >John
>
>I'd like to take a stab at this... doesn't this reffer to the extended
>fingerboard (E-strng) or fifth string of a Bass (C or B) Tuned in fourths
>(EADG) or (CEADG) or even the "contra" to a bass playing part to higherUnfortunately, there is *no* information about the triple contrabass
viol in the liner notes. There *is*, however, a picture. The
quartet members are all standing on raised platforms: the 3XCV is
apparently resting on the stage, and still extends above the player's
head. It has four strings, a curved fingerboard, and no apparent
frets. I'm not sure that the strings are any longer than normal bass
strings, but the body of the bass is greatly enlarged. It looks as
if one had grabbed a normal bass just below the bridge and stretched
(or inflated) the bottom quarter of the body until it extended an
extra 4'. There are two round soundholes on either side of the
tailpiece, which looks to be about 4' long itself. In the picture,
they've stuffed a microphone inside one of the soundholes.As for transportation, my guess is that it goes by moving van...
Grant
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Grant Green gdgreen@contrabass.com
http://www.contrabass.com
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---------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:49:55 -0500
From: bulshevik <bulshevik@home.com>
Subject: Re: sarrusophone
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com> Unfortunately, there is *no* information about the triple contrabass
> viol in the liner notes. There *is*, however, a picture.And can we see the picture???
Abi
---------------------------------------------------------From: Kadamasuta@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:44:51 EST
Subject: Re: BBb Contabass Klar. al la Ebay
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comI have asked the seller in at least or more than two emails to elaborate on
the instrument; e.g. pad/corks condiditon, prior/if any dent repairs tone
hole voicing/modifications; general playability, and got no response. No
answer.Could that mean it's what's known as a silent auction?
k
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Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 05:50:54 -0500
Subject: Sarrusophone FS
From: michael c grogg <mgrogg@juno.com>
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comOn Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:39:38 EST Opusnandy@aol.com writes:
> Well, I'm hating myself for having to do this, but I'm dating a
>woman deserving the most beautiful engagement ring I can buy. So it is with
>great pain that I am selling my Conn Eb Contrabass Sarrusophone on ebay.
You should not have to hate yourself or cause yourself great pain to make
someone else happy. Look for a way to make both of you happy. I made
the mistake of selling off a good instrument many years ago, and indeed
stopped playing for a number of years in the attempt to satisfy a woman.
In the long run, you will not be happy and will regret having done this.
You placed your starting bid out of reach, so hopefully no one will bid
and you will have time to reconsider your folly and find other ways to
please this woman, or perhpaps find another less materialistic one.
Remember, the deal of a lifetime, or the girl of your dreams comes along
about every 2 weeks, so be patient.
MG
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---------------------------------------------------------From: Heliconman@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:58:52 EST
Subject: Re: Sarrusophone FS
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comIn a message dated 01/10/2000 4:40:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Opusnandy@aol.com writes:
<< Well, I'm hating myself for having to do this, but I'm dating a woman
deserving the most beautiful engagement ring I can buy. So it is with great
pain that I am selling my Conn Eb Contrabass Sarrusophone on ebay. The URL
for the sale is............... >>Close the auction! Claim temporary insanity! Take out a loan for the ring! If
you MUST, use the horn as collateral! Borrow from relatives! Get a grant from
a rich music lover! SAVE THE WHALES!!!!!!!
Congrats! She sounds like a prize! Sounds like you found a nice girl too! ;>
Heliconman@a
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