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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 07:12:00 -0800
From: Lawrence de Martin <>
Subject: Re: Rap

> From: Adam Kent-Isaac <>
> ...of all of the kinds of popular music, rap is the one with
> the lowest notes. Rap and funk bassists are notorious
> for their extensions and subcontrabass rumbling.

> From: "Spencer Parks" <>
> I even saw a seven string bass.  That was sweet.  I didn't hear it though.

There are a few miscreants who tune bass guitars down (Fieldy of Korn),
but I am not aware of any such instruments intended to go lower than B0
(31Hz).  Six string basses either have a high B2 string or go E1 to E3;
and the seventh string also goes up, unless there is a custom instrument
somewhere of which I am unaware.

Further, electric instruments all depend upon speakers; and typical bass
guitar stage cabinets roll off below E2 (82Hz).  There are a few
outsized speakers by Euphonic Audio, SWR etc. that extend to E0 (41Hz),
but I can't find a one that covers the low B fundamental.  The 40Hz
models also utilize tuned ports, which roll off faster than the
conventional sealed boxes.  These do not satisfy my need for bottom
because the proper expression of attack and rhythm requires extension at
least an octave below the fundamental.

Stage sub-woofers generally roll off at E1.  The exceptions I know of
are the ServoDrive ContraBass (circa 10Hz, two octaves below E1) and
some truly monstrous cabinets (>60 cubic feet!) from Meyer Sound and
Eastern Acoustic Works.  I have also seen custom built-in subs that go
to B0.

As for rap music, it has a one octave peak of spectral intensity from
roughly B1 to B2.  The CDs with the low bass are the ones recorded for
auto-sound competitions, they all use synthesizer.  Otherwise the tuba,
extended euphonia and organ have the most prominant bass fundamentals;
and they're much better for your ears and health than the electric
facsimiles (IMNSHO).

Larry de Martin

Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 23:30:15 -0500
From: jim and joyce <>
Subject: rap

I used to take my kids rollerblading on saturday nights.   I tried
skates once.  I looked like a mound of jello heading for the floor.
After that i started bringing my clarinet to play along with the music,
which was often rap and sometimes so loud that kids would come over and
stick their heads near my clarinet to see if there was any sound coming
out.  Anyway, being old and believing that all the great music was
created between 1966 and 1972, i was figured that rap would be single
chord stuff that was trivial to play.  Some was.  However, in some
pieces there was a very complicated chord structure implied by the
melody and tones of the rhythm track.  In once case, as I struggled
along, I realized that the chord structure was very similar to a
particular big band piece.  (maybe it was Ellington.  I don't
remember.)  Unfortunately, everything was on cassette "party tapes" and
I could never find anyone who could tell me the names of the good stuff.


Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 00:00:28 -0400
From: "Robert S. Howe" <>
Subject: A mouthpiece needed

Through neglect or venality or my own stupidity, the mouthpiece from my
Conn double-belled Euphonium has been swapped for a similar Buescher
mouthpiece.  The latter plays fine, and I am not a euphoniumist (?), so
in that sense it does not matter.  However, as a collector and purist I
want to have the correct mouthpiece with the horn.

So I ask, does anyone out there have a 1918 era Conn euphonium (or tenor
trombone or bass trombone or baritone horn) mouthpiece in fair to good
to excellent condition that I could purchase or swap for?  Anything
coming even remotely close to this, or any further leads as to where I
can look, will be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Robert Howe

From: "J. Daniel Ashton" <>
Date: Thu,  2 Dec 1999 00:03:43 -0500
Subject: String Bass needed in Atlanta

Hi again,

I have a small high-school-age string ensemble and two church
orchestras in Atlanta that need a string bass player this month.

Failing that, if I could borrow one I'd play it myself.

Any leads?


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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:18:36 -0700
From: Grant Green <>
Subject: Re: Rap
> > I even saw a seven string bass.  That was sweet.  I didn't hear it though.
>There are a few miscreants who tune bass guitars down (Fieldy of Korn),
>but I am not aware of any such instruments intended to go lower than B0
>(31Hz).  Six string basses either have a high B2 string or go E1 to E3;
>and the seventh string also goes up, unless there is a custom instrument
>somewhere of which I am unaware.

The modern 6 string bass is typically tuned B0-E1-A1-D2-G2-C3: the 5
string is tuned the same, usually (but not always) omitting the top
C3 string.  The 7 string bass adds a high F3 string.  Of course, bass
players are free to alter the tuning at will, and can tune the low B
down to A if desired.  Much below that, and one starts to lose timbre
from the slack string.  The Chapman stick is typically tuned with the
lowest bass string at C1, but can be tuned down to Bb0 if desired.

The older 6 string bass was often referred to as a "tenor guitar",
and was typically tuned like a regular electric guitar but an octave
lower.  These instruments also usually were guitar length, rather
than the 34" or 35" scale used on modern electric basses.

I seem to recall that Michael Rutherford is credited with playing a
"contrabass guitar" on one of the older Genesis albums ("The Lamb
Lies Down on Broadway"?), but I've never been able to determine just
what that was.  Any Genesis fans care to chime in?


Grant Green  

Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:21:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Adam Kent-Isaac <>
Subject: Oboe vs. Bassoon

I've met a lot of bassoonists, professional and
student, and none of them I've met could play oboe, or
switched from oboe. On the other hand, all the
bassoonists I've ever met could play clarinet and
bass, and most could play the sax too. Especially
since the bassoon is more or less regarded as a member
of the "oboe family," you would think that more people
could play both. How come? I'd really like to know,
especially because they're not that different.

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:37:34 EST
Subject: Re: Oboe vs. Bassoon

I am a bassoonist who started on Bassoon (because I had one in the family). I
then learned clarinet, percussion and then saxophone (all for marching
season). I have recently started to learn oboe and English Horn. I have found
the transition to oboe the hardest, EH being a bit easier. I find the
embouchure on oboe to be the big transition. Wonder if it is because I am
doing this 30 years later.

David Huber
McAllen, TX

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