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From: CoolStu67@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:48:33 EDT
Subject: Re: Clarinet family
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com<<
Shouln't the clarinet family be altered? I mean, the
names of the instruments are just wrong.
>>The names aren't wrong, they're just different. Clarinets were first,
anyways! And also, this topic has been discussed earlier.Stuart
---------------------------------------------------------From: "Mr. Josh" <themanfromutopia@hotmail.com>
Subject: Massive organ stops
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 00:07:43 GMT
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comWhere would a 64' organ stop be on a piano? a 32', 44 2/3'?
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---------------------------------------------------------From: "Tom Izzo" <jeanvaljean@ntsource.com>
Subject: Re: Massive organ stops
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:13:58 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comJosh,
> Where would a 64' organ stop be on a piano?
Pianos don't have stops. :-)
(except maybe the little brakes on the wheels)
Tom
> a 32', 44 2/3'?
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:24:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adam Kent-Isaac <lokibassoon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Organ Stops
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comThe Sixty-Four foot register on an organ is vastly
below the lowest note on an 11' concert grand. If a
contrabassoon is 16' long and the lowest note is A
(which would also be the piano's lowest,) the 64' stop
an an organ would be four times as low. Thats's a
great deal lower. However, you're lucky if you're
organ has a sixty-four foot stop; most are limited to
32'.-Adam
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---------------------------------------------------------From: "Tom Izzo" <jeanvaljean@ntsource.com>
Subject: Re: Organ Stops
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:52:02 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com----- Original Message -----
From: Adam Kent-Isaac <lokibassoon@yahoo.com>> below the lowest note on an 11' concert grand. If a
> contrabassoon is 16' long and the lowest note is AAnd that's only on the Contras with the "A Foot",
most Bassoons & Contrabassoons bottom out on Bb.Tom
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 10:16:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Massive organ stops
From: michael c grogg <mgrogg@juno.com>
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
>Where would a 64' organ stop be on a piano? a 32', 44 2/3'?About 4 feet left of the end of the keyboard.
:-)
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From: Robert Howe <arehow@vgernet.net>
Subject: Sarrusophone pitches
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comThis question concerns the playing pitch and the nominal pitch of
Gautrot Marquet Eb baritone Sarrusophone serial 43, which I recently
obtained from a very knowledgable collector in Germany. It is an exact
match for the Eb baritone Sarrusophone illustrated in the Gautrot
catalog of 1864, as reprinted by ACIMV in their publication, Larigot.
I will appreciate any help that any recipients of this letter can
provide.I presume that this instrument is built to A452 or so, as are other
specimens of French mid-19th century military instruments that I have
seen, including a Besson oboe and 3 Adolphe Sax Saxophones. Is my
assumption regarding the original playing pitch valid?To play, I used a reamed-out modern German bassoon reed made by a
Philadelphia-trained bassoonist, and a soprano Saxophone-like mouthpiece
(made by Arthur Benade for similar experiments) into which I placed a
plug of cork, and drilled a bocal receiver hole. Both work, and their
results agree with theory.To wit: with the single reed mpc, pushing the plug in almost to the
playing chamber and placing the mouthpiece on the bocal until the bocal
just enters the chamber gives a fairly well-tuned scale of C. I start
with the seven-finger note and move up, using Saxophone fingerings to A
(12-/---), B, (1--/---) and C (-2-/---). The upper notes are flat to
the lower, suggesting that the assembly is too large. The playing pitch
is a tad below A440. The bassoon reed makes a scale at a higher than
A440 playing pitch but with the upper notes flat to the lower,
suggesting that the cavity of this reed is too small.What surprised me, however, was the nominal pitch. This instrument does
not play in Eb. The six-finger note produces D below the bass clef, not
the F a minor third above that; and all keys closed gives the bassoon's
lowest Bb, not Db. It tunes to A using 12-/---, not 123/-5- as an
Eb-pitched instrument should.The bocal has been repaired and possibly lengthened a bit, it is unclear
if a piece of brass which is soldered to the reed end is a repair of a
crush, or an extension. The relative proportions of the bocal to the
length of the Sarrusophone are the same on the instrument at hand as in
the catalog illustration. Each is 20 units to 110 units so I presume
that the bocal has not been appreciably tuned-down. The bocal repair
adds only a couple of cm to the overall length, not nearly enough to
explain the difference of a minor third.Could this possibly be a C bass Sarrusophone? Is there such a thing?
(None is illustrated in any of my catalogs). And does anyone have the
correct length of the bocal and/or reed dimensions for any baritone
Sarrusophone that is known to play in Eb as expected?The overall length of my Sarrusophone is 91.2 cm and the bell diameter,
10.0.Robert Howe
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 00:17:12 -0400
From: Robert Howe <arehow@vgernet.net>
Subject: Re: Orchestration Books
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comBooks reflect the experiences and biases of their authors. If Berlioz
tells us that the serpent is not fit to play, he probably was commenting
on the serpent as he heard it.Robert Howe
---------------------------------------------------------From: <Colin.HARRIS@dfee.gov.uk>
Subject: RE: Orchestration Books
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:59:32 +0100
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com"The contrabassoon is generally unsatisfactory."
Isn't this because contra's were rubbish until the middle of the 19th
century when they starting making good instruments?
---------------------------------------------------------From: <Colin.HARRIS@dfee.gov.uk>
Subject: Pedal Notes
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:00:44 +0100
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comRubbish - the pedal C on a trombone is the easiest note on the instrument!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dafydd y garreg wen [mailto:mavnw@csv.warwick.ac.uk]
Sent: 24 October 1999 21:39
To: contrabass@contrabass.com
Subject: Re: Orchestration Books
CONTRABASS@contrabass.com
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*My personal favourite is the writer who stated quite plainly "Pedal notes
are impossible on the Bass Trombone". Obviously writing for grade 2
standard players, then.Dave Taylor
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---------------------------------------------------------From: "Tom Izzo" <jeanvaljean@ntsource.com>
Subject: Re: Pedal Notes
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:20:14 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com----- Original Message -----
From: <Colin.HARRIS@dfee.gov.uk>> CONTRABASS@contrabass.com
> =========================
> *
>
>
> Rubbish - the pedal C on a trombone is the easiest note on the
instrument!!Hardly!!!
The pedal C on a Trombone is 6 spaces below Bass clef, & not every
Trombonist finds that easy to play, even among Bass Trombonists.Tom
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dafydd y garreg wen [mailto:mavnw@csv.warwick.ac.uk]
> Sent: 24 October 1999 21:39
> To: contrabass@contrabass.com
> Subject: Re: Orchestration Books
>
>
> CONTRABASS@contrabass.com
> =========================
> *
>
> My personal favourite is the writer who stated quite plainly "Pedal notes
> are impossible on the Bass Trombone". Obviously writing for grade 2
> standard players, then.
>
> Dave Taylor
>
>
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From: <Colin.HARRIS@dfee.gov.uk>
Subject: RE: Pedal Notes
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:24:28 +0100
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
Tom, I mean pedal C (The first fundamental) in Treble clef - equiv.. Bb
below the bass clef stave. Sorry!! I can't help being a brass band person!BTW, isn't pedal F (bass clef, 3 4 ledger lines below) an the most awesome
note on a Bb/F bass trombone?-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Izzo [mailto:jeanvaljean@ntsource.com]
Sent: 25 October 1999 14:20
To: contrabass@contrabass.com
Subject: Re: Pedal Notes
CONTRABASS@contrabass.com
=========================
*
----- Original Message -----
From: <Colin.HARRIS@dfee.gov.uk>> CONTRABASS@contrabass.com
> =========================
> *
>
>
> Rubbish - the pedal C on a trombone is the easiest note on the
instrument!!Hardly!!!
The pedal C on a Trombone is 6 spaces below Bass clef, & not every
Trombonist finds that easy to play, even among Bass Trombonists.Tom
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dafydd y garreg wen [mailto:mavnw@csv.warwick.ac.uk]
> Sent: 24 October 1999 21:39
> To: contrabass@contrabass.com
> Subject: Re: Orchestration Books
>
>
> CONTRABASS@contrabass.com
> =========================
> *
>
> My personal favourite is the writer who stated quite plainly "Pedal notes
> are impossible on the Bass Trombone". Obviously writing for grade 2
> standard players, then.
>
> Dave Taylor
>
>
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---------------------------------------------------------From: "Tom Izzo" <jeanvaljean@ntsource.com>
Subject: Re: Pedal Notes
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:34:54 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
Colin,
> CONTRABASS@contrabass.com
> =========================
> *
>
> Tom, I mean pedal C (The first fundamental) in Treble clef - equiv.. Bb
> below the bass clef stave. Sorry!! I can't help being a brass band
person!
>
Even being a brass band person, the fundamental would still be an octave
lower C.> BTW, isn't pedal F (bass clef, 3 4 ledger lines below) an the most awesome
> note on a Bb/F bass trombone?I personally like the Eb & D (F & E Treble clef) below that F.
Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Izzo [mailto:jeanvaljean@ntsource.com]
> Sent: 25 October 1999 14:20
> To: contrabass@contrabass.com
> Subject: Re: Pedal Notes
>
>
> CONTRABASS@contrabass.com
> =========================
> *
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Colin.HARRIS@dfee.gov.uk>
>
> > CONTRABASS@contrabass.com
> > =========================
> > *
> >
> >
> > Rubbish - the pedal C on a trombone is the easiest note on the
> instrument!!
>
> Hardly!!!
>
> The pedal C on a Trombone is 6 spaces below Bass clef, & not every
> Trombonist finds that easy to play, even among Bass Trombonists.
>
> Tom
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dafydd y garreg wen [mailto:mavnw@csv.warwick.ac.uk]
> > Sent: 24 October 1999 21:39
> > To: contrabass@contrabass.com
> > Subject: Re: Orchestration Books
> >
> >
> > CONTRABASS@contrabass.com
> > =========================
> > *
> >
> > My personal favourite is the writer who stated quite plainly "Pedal
notes
> > are impossible on the Bass Trombone". Obviously writing for grade 2
> > standard players, then.
> >
> > Dave Taylor
> >
> >
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> >
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From: "Dr Guy Grant" <guygrant@tassie.net.au>
Subject: RE:MASSIVE STRING INSTRUMENTS
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 06:22:25 +1100
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
GdayDepending on your definition, perhaps the biggest stringed instrument ever
made is the complex of telegraph wires across Australia's Nullabor Plain.
Not only does this act as a giant Aeolian harp, but has been used as a
source for amplifying the sounds of insects, birds and other animals on the
wires.Dr Guy GRANT
www.oddmusic.com
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From: contrabass-owner@contrabass.com
[mailto:contrabass-owner@contrabass.com] On Behalf Of Adam Kent-Isaac
Sent: Wednesday, 13 October 1999 15:46
To: contrabass@contrabass.com
Subject: massive string instrumentsCONTRABASS@contrabass.com
=========================
*
Supposedly, the largest string instrument ever build
was a fourteen-foot-tall double bass, built on
special-order from the "Arch-Angel Gabriel." The bass
had long leather strings.A guitar which was something like 38 feet was built! I
wonder how low that went.The largest string instrument ever built was a
pantaleon which had 270 strings stretching over 50
square feet!!!BTW, what is a pantaleon? I've never heard of it!
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From: Heliconman@aol.com
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:51:20 EDT
Subject: Re: Pedal Notes
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
In a message dated 10/25/1999 8:21:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jeanvaljean@ntsource.com writes:> > Rubbish - the pedal C on a trombone is the easiest note on the
> instrument!!
>
> Hardly!!!
>
> The pedal C on a Trombone is 6 spaces below Bass clef, & not every
> Trombonist finds that easy to play, even among Bass Trombonists.
>
> To
Depends a lot on the individual instrument/mouthpiece/player combination. I
borrowed a friend's Yamaha YB-612 and was hitting some nice flappy pedal
tones by accident! It was really easy on this horn!
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:16:27 +0100 (BST)
From: Dafydd y garreg wen <mavnw@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Pedal Notes
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Tom Izzo wrote:> CONTRABASS@contrabass.com
> =========================
> *
>
> Colin,
> > CONTRABASS@contrabass.com
> > =========================
> > *
> >
> > Tom, I mean pedal C (The first fundamental) in Treble clef - equiv.. Bb
> > below the bass clef stave. Sorry!! I can't help being a brass band
> person!
> >
> Even being a brass band person, the fundamental would still be an octave
> lower C.Sorry - run that past me again; it doesn't seem to make any sense!
>
> > BTW, isn't pedal F (bass clef, 3 4 ledger lines below) an the most awesome
> > note on a Bb/F bass trombone?
>
> I personally like the Eb & D (F & E Treble clef) below that F.The manly types among us prefer the C on single plug; capable of sawing
any ensemble in half (and I've played in an orchestra of 2000 people :p
(where it was sadly inaudible))Dave Taylor
>
> Tom
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Izzo [mailto:jeanvaljean@ntsource.com]
> > Sent: 25 October 1999 14:20
> > To: contrabass@contrabass.com
> > Subject: Re: Pedal Notes
> >
> >
> > CONTRABASS@contrabass.com
> > =========================
> > *
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Colin.HARRIS@dfee.gov.uk>
> >
> > > CONTRABASS@contrabass.com
> > > =========================
> > > *
> > >
> > >
> > > Rubbish - the pedal C on a trombone is the easiest note on the
> > instrument!!
> >
> > Hardly!!!
> >
> > The pedal C on a Trombone is 6 spaces below Bass clef, & not every
> > Trombonist finds that easy to play, even among Bass Trombonists.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dafydd y garreg wen [mailto:mavnw@csv.warwick.ac.uk]
> > > Sent: 24 October 1999 21:39
> > > To: contrabass@contrabass.com
> > > Subject: Re: Orchestration Books
> > >
> > >
> > > CONTRABASS@contrabass.com
> > > =========================
> > > *
> > >
> > > My personal favourite is the writer who stated quite plainly "Pedal
> notes
> > > are impossible on the Bass Trombone". Obviously writing for grade 2
> > > standard players, then.
> > >
> > > Dave Taylor---------------------------------------------------------
From: "Mr. Josh" <themanfromutopia@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Massive organ stops
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:43:35 GMT
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comObviously I mean what pitch
>Tom Izzo Wrote:
>Josh,
> >
> > Where would a 64' organ stop be on a piano?
>
>Pianos don't have stops. :-)
>
>(except maybe the little brakes on the wheels)
>
>Tom
>
> a 32', 44 2/3'?
> >
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