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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 18:00:54 -0500
From: Bonnie/Oscar <bgyoaw@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Sub Pedal
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comPedal as I interpret it means the nominal first harmonic for the instrument.
For a BBb tuba, this is 30 Hz Bb. To make things clear in discussions,
lower notes played by adding valves are called sub pedals.
I often refer to the open Eb at about 41 Hz and its friends as pedals also,
because it is below the officially approved range, and not blessed by
the high school physics texts.
Thus any reference to sub-pedals would mean below 30Hz Bb or (32Hz C), which in
the case of the BBBb tuba is not even the pedal range. Though the pedals
of an organ would where you would expect to find them.
Remember in these discussions that the threshold for pain and the threshold
of audibility cross somewhere around 20 Hz. An audible 20 Hz sine wave,
audible at the bell that is, requires at least 100 Watts of input energy
at the mouthpiece, generated by the lungs, (1/4 HP). Fortunately the installed human
computer can create the sensation of low pitch from the overtone sequence!
This may mean that large bore in BBBb horns is not the way to go.-- Oscar Wehmanen Tuber
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 19:56:54 -0400
From: arehow <arehow@vgernet.net>
Subject: CLEVELAND ORCHESTRA TICKET AVAILABLE
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comThe CLEVELAND ORCHESTRA is playing an all Ravel program: Barque Sur
L'Ocean, Tombeau de Couperin, Rhapsodie Espagnole, L'Heure Espagnole,
Wednesday nite May 5 at 8 at Carnegie Hall. Due to a friend's illness,
I have one Dress Circle seat at $45, which is what I paid for it. If
you want it, call me at 413 596 8434 by 930 Eastern time tonite, Email
me by 0640 Wednesday AM, or call me after 0800 Wednesday at 413 478
0134, but NOT between noon and 230 pm.If you are a fan of clarinets, oboes, or bassoons, this is a concert to hear.
By the way, my two other leftover tickets for Saturday have been sold.
Robert Howe
---------------------------------------------------------From: SEMarcus@aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:52:15 EDT
Subject: Re: Sub Pedal
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comIn a message dated 5/4/99 4:15:11 PM, mgrogg@juno.com writes:
<<Practical limit is around a GGG, although with
enough valves it might be theoretically possible to play down an octave
below the fundimental, but since the vibrations per second at that range
can be measured on a calender, it is more an excercise in theory, than
practical application.>>Michael:
William Kraft doesn't think so! His "Encounters II," a solo tuba piece, has
a written CCC, that is, the C below the lowest C on a standard 88-note piano,
or the C below the 30 Hz. BBb pedal.
It is possible to play this note, but some tubists opt for flapping their
tongue from one edge of the mouthpiece to the other to "create" the low CCC
when performing this piece.Kindest regards,
Steve Marcus (SEMarcus@aol.com)
BBb Bass, Prairie Brass Band
http://members.delphi.com/stevemarcus/index.html
Director of Sales, THE BEAUTIFUL SOUND, INC. (630) 325-9999 (Steinway Piano Dealer)
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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 00:06:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Sub Pedal
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comIn a message dated 5/4/99 12:42:22 PM, John.Howell@vt.edu writes:
<<But it doesn't take even a
real good tubist to get the notes from contra Eb down to subcontra B.
They're actually half-wavelength notes, as I understand it, and are
probably made easy by the more conical shape of the bore compared to the
trombone, but that's about all I know except that I used to be able to play
them, no sweat.Arnold Jacobs called them "privileged notes."
<<..The "actual pedal tones" on a BBb tuba take you 'way down past the end of
the piano keyboard--even the European Bechstein that goes down to subcontra F.Even down to the subcontra CCC on the 97-note Bosendorfer Imperial 9'6" Grand...
Kindest regards,
Steve Marcus (SEMarcus@aol.com)
BBb Bass, Prairie Brass Band
http://members.delphi.com/stevemarcus/index.html
Director of Sales, THE BEAUTIFUL SOUND, INC. (630) 325-9999 (Steinway Piano Dealer)---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:58:18 -0700
Subject: Re: Sub Pedal
From: mgrogg@juno.com
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com><<Practical limit is around a GGG, although with
>enough valves it might be theoretically possible to play down an
>Michael:
>
>William Kraft doesn't think so! His "Encounters II," a solo tuba
>piece, has a written CCC, that is, the C below the lowest C on a standard 88-note
>piano, or the C below the 30 Hz. BBb pedal.
>It is possible to play this note, but some tubists opt for flapping
>their tongue from one edge of the mouthpiece to the other to "create" the
>low CCC when performing this piece.
>
>Kindest regards,
>Steve Marcus (SEMarcus@aol.com)I am well aware of the tongue flapping method for the CCC in the Kraft.
I used it back in 74 for audition material. Anyway you cut it, 16hz is
pretty slow, and not that pretty. Using the tongue gives you a piece of
meat that you have more muscle control over than a pair of thin lips.MG
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---------------------------------------------------------Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:02:18 -0700
From: Grant Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
Subject: Bass Sax FS du jour...
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comToday's bass sax is a Selmer Mk VI, at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=99932054 - this one probably won't go cheap ;-)
Also, a King sousaphone at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=100139804
Enjoy!
Grant
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