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10 January 1997
EDITOR'S NOTE: Let's welcome new subscribers Jack Silver < jsilver@cpcug.org > and Gmuzic@aol.com (sorry, didn't get a name).
Author: Jack Silver
<jsilver@cpcug.org>
Date: 1/10/97 8:10
AM
Subject: Subscribe contrabass
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 08:11:45 -0800
To: Jack
Silver <jsilver@cpcug.org>
From: Grant Green
<gdgreen@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Subscribe
contrabass
At 09:57 AM 1/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
You're now subscribed: welcome aboard Jack!
It's become customary (for lack of a better word) for new subscribers to post an introduction to the rest of the list, along the lines of background, instruments played, interests, etc. Not required, of course, but appreciated.
Grant
Author: Gmuzic@aol.com
Date: 1/9/97 11:24
PM
Subject: cool page!
I have much interest in the collecting of various rare and odd saxophones.
I would love to be on the mailing list.
Gmuzic@aol.com
Author: Grant Green <gdgreen@crl.com> at
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Date: 1/9/97 11:25 PM
TO: Gmuzic@aol.com at
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Subject: Re: cool page!
At 12:53 AM 1/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I have much interest in the collecting of various rare and odd saxophones. I
>would love to be on the mailing list.
>Gmuzic@aol.com
Glad you liked it! I've added your name to the subscription list: welcome aboard. Please feel free to post an introduction (e.g., background, instruments played, interest in the low end, etc.) - not required, but appreciated.
Grant
Author: Steven & Jessica
<lederman@inforamp.net>
Date: 1/9/97 9:42
PM
Subject: Re: Contrabass-L No. 73
>Who knows? If he has enough fun with it, maybe he'll popularize the
>instrument. And then we can urge him onto the contrabass.... ;-)>The whole disc actually strikes me as a bit odd, like an over-eager attempt
>to break into "mainstream" popular music. Like the cover of "Wind Beneath
>My Wings", or "Nanna/Ena Brown" that has 18 children and HB's granddaughter
>on vocals. Perhaps a little too much hype...
Wow, am I glad I just read that last paragraph! I was considering BUYING that disc! Phew...thanks, Grant! Somehow I don't feel that a guy who felt obliged to "practise a couple of hour" could really popularize the bass sax. I think if Anthony Braxton's concentrated efforts haven't produced any results.....(nobody has to bug him to practise or try something new....)
Did you get "Lowest Of The Low" yet? Is that an "awful-clyde" in that vintage clip at the end of the VHS???
Steven
Author: Grant Green <gdgreen@crl.com> at
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Date: 1/9/97 9:43 PM
TO: Steven & Jessica
<lederman@inforamp.net> at SMTP
Subject: Re:
Contrabass-L No. 73
At 12:12 AM 1/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Wow, am I glad I just read that last paragraph! I was considering BUYING
>that disc! Phew...thanks, Grant! Somehow I don't feel that a guy who felt
>obliged to "practise a couple of hour" could really popularize the bass sax.
>I think if Anthony Braxton's concentrated efforts haven't produced any
>results.....(nobody has to bug him to practise or try something new....)
Oh, there's still some good stuff on the disc: its just not as consistent as most of his other releases. A somewhat different direction.
>Did you get "Lowest Of The Low" yet? Is that an "awful-clyde" in that
>vintage clip at the end of the VHS???
Yes! I have the tape, ..., but haven't had a
chance to watch it yet.
Perhaps tonight...
Grant
I should warn people that watching that BBC documentary really made me want to go out and buy a bass sax. We're talking dangerous cravings here, especially when my wife is still getting over the bass flute...
Grant
Author: Grant Green <gdgreen@crl.com> at
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Date: 1/9/97 11:30 PM
TO: Steven & Jessica
<lederman@inforamp.net> at SMTP
Subject: Re:
Contrabass-L No. 73
At 12:12 AM 1/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Did you get "Lowest Of The Low" yet? Is that an "awful-clyde" in that
>vintage clip at the end of the VHS???
Yes! It must be an ophicleide. Unfortunately, none of the sound came through on the commercial clip (the LotL came through fine: must be the best documentary I've ever seen, or at least the most congruent with my particular mania). However, based on the shape of the horn, and the key structure, it must be an ophicleide: its the only horn I know of where the keys are located based solely on their proximity to the tone holes, rather than to duplicate (or approximate) the ancient fingerings of recorder, flute, et al. Even though I can't see the mouthpiece, the instrument in the clip clearly has ophicleide-like keywork.
Grant
Author: DGross1226@aol.com
Date: 1/9/97 7:12
PM
Subject: Re: Contrabass-L No. 73
In a message dated 97-01-09 16:22:52 EST, you write:
<< I also know a genius of a man who can build you an octavin, if you're interested; he also makes bassett horns out of alto clarinets, and builds his own taragatos and such.....good ol' STEPHEN FOX.>>
Grant,
Could this possibly be the same Stephen Fox who's picture I'm looking at in the 1953 La Jolla High School annual - The Viking - who played bassoon in the Concert Band with Dr. Ernest H. Wilcox at La Jolla (California) High School?
Don Gross
La Canada, California
(Clarinet, La Jolla
High School Concert Band 1954-55, Class of 1957)
I don't know: we'll have to ask Steven Lederman (it was his post).
Steve?
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:25:50 -0800 (PST)
From:
Philip Neuman <neuman@uofport.edu>
Subject: Re:
Contrabass-L No. 73
Grant,
About the bore profile of Peter Wutherich's giant alphorn: in its 80' form, I believe that only about 6' at the small end is cylindrical. In its 154' form, I believe that the last 70' or so is cylindrical; these "extensions" were built only to continue to hold the world's record against a Lucerne alphorn maker. A truce, incidentally was called between them a few years ago when a Japanese television show called "The World's Largest" (or something like that) flew Wutherich and his alphorn to Switzerland to line his up next to the Swiss maker's instrument. They had both reached the 154' length, but Wutherich's bell and exit bore dimensions are about twice the size of the other's, which is why he still can claim the world's record.
Philip Neuman
>Hi again, Grant:
>Re: the CB trumpet, I'm really not making them anymore. First of all, the
Now I'm bummed.
>price was WAY too low. Second, after a month's worth of arduous, caring
I have to admit, it was a pretty attractive price...
>construction and two weeks of play-testing, one of the purchasers (a
>snot-nosed prima donna in New Joisey) told me he didn't like it. Didn't
>like it?! It was then that I realized that I was too personally invested
>in my products to sell them to uncaring strangers for mere money.
How about caring strange collectors, looking for a unique instrument? Is there a price at which you'd be interested in building, say, a CC contrabass trumpet, or a contra/subcontra valve trombone for a serious nut?
Grant
From: "Daryl Fletcher"
<daryl@www.walker.public.lib.ga.us>
Date: Fri, 10
Jan 1997 15:28:02 EST
Subject: Re: Contrabass-L No. 73
> Re: the CB trumpet, I'm really not making them anymore. First of
> all, the price was WAY too low. Second, after a month's worth of
> arduous, caring construction and two weeks of play-testing, one of
> the purchasers (a snot-nosed prima donna in New Joisey) told me he
> didn't like it. Didn't like it?! It was then that I realized that
> I was too personally invested in my products to sell them to
> uncaring strangers for mere money.
> Carl Kleinsteuber
> carl@tip.nl
Didn't like it?!?
I just received Carl's fourth, and as I just found out,
final contrabass trumpet a few days ago, and it's a very well
made and designed instrument. I'm sure glad I put in my order
when I did. This guy from New Joisey doesn't know what he's
talking about.
---------------------------------
Daryl Fletcher
daryl@www.walker.public.lib.ga.us
http://www.walker.public.lib.ga.us/~daryl/
That's right, rub it in: the rest of us can't get one now ;-)
I have another post from Carl on my home machine, that I either forgot to forward to my office (where I generate these digests over lunch) or just hasn't arrived yet. I'll add it to the next digest, but wanted to mention that Carl is the same Carl Kleinsteuber that appears on Howard Johnson's " Gravity " CD (first mentioned here in #50 , 25 October 1996).
Again, great stuff!
Grant
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