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Vol. 1, No. 33

20 August 1996

EDITOR'S NOTE: Sorry for the delay! Its been one of those weeks.

New subscribers! Jeff Sharp and Jascha Hoffman, welcome aboard!

Author: Stryder <stryder@rupert.mhv.net>
Date: 8/13/96 7:15 PM
Subject: majordomo

remember me? i'm the guy that is trying to get majordomo from my brother.

i found out that majordomo is siting on one of the computers at mhv (my isp) only prob, is 1. i and no one here knows how to use it, a one of the people who works here installed it, because some moron said yeah, i know how to use it, and etc. etc. and he never used it, and no one here knows how. but that can be fixed, because i'm sure it come with directions and man pages. (i was going to view some when i was looking at it, but ended up doing something else).

2. i sorta don't have an account on the computer it's on. and i would supose that you'd need an account there too. so i'm trying to work on that, and i'll update you when i can convince my brother that he should give you and (perhaps) me, and account on that box, but it's kinda a customer's who paid to have it sit herem he does something on it. (i think) and majordomo was installed i guess for him to use. so i'm still figuring it out, and don't get your hopes up too soon.


Nope, haven't forgotten. At this point, I'm considering just taking out an account on WindWorld, which seems to offer a number of other advantages as well (like RealAudio support, etc.).


Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 17:42:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: drumming man <lederman@inforamp.net>
Subject: How much for the Shakespearean Shoe-horn?

Hi, Grant;

How much is Paul Cohen asking for his Ophicleediusellus? Is the aforementioned instrument something like the "saxhorn" pictured in the Brass Monthly magazine?


(How about a phonetically-spelled pronounciation of the instrument?)

Author: gdgreen@crl.com (Grant Green) at smtp
Date: 8/14/96 7:58 PM
TO: lederman@inforamp.net at SMTP
Subject: Re: How much for the Shakespearean Shoe-horn?

>Hi, Grant;
>How much is Paul Cohen asking for his Ophicleediusellus? Is the
>aforementioned instrument something like the "saxhorn" pictured in the Brass
>Monthly magazine?

>(How about a phonetically-spelled pronounciation of the instrument?)

Hey Steven,

Paul didn't mention a price when I asked about the instrument. I'm sure he'd entertain offers. If its in good shape, its probably worth around $2-4K, or whatever Paul will take in trade (he prefers to trade for other rare instruments where possible).

I haven't seen the Brass Monthly, but I think that the saxhorn is closer to a modern tuba than it is to the ophicleide. The ophicleide is more of a giant keyed bugle, which is sort of the modern (modern?) descendent of the cornett and serpent. Imagine a contrabassoon with a wide metal bore and big padded keys, played with a trombone mouthpiece.

Pronunciation? I actually haven't heard the word spoken (the advantage and disadvantage of email communications...), but in my head it always sounds like OAF-ah-klide. As always, I welcome corrections by anyone who actually knows.


Grant D. Green
Just filling in on sarrusophone

Author: jsharp@sirinet.net (Jeff Sharp) at SMTP
Date: 8/18/96 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: Low clarinet questions

>I'm another low-woodwinds enthusiast, and play bass clarinet
>and Bb contrabass clarinet (amongst other things). Not only
>are there different mpcs for the Bb contra and Eb contra,
>there are at least two different sized mpcs for the Bb
>contra alone (depending on the brand). Bb contras have at
>least two distinct bore diameters, and mpcs that fit one
>won't fit the other.

That explains a lot of the mysteries I have been wondering about. Hmmm...Perhaps the Bb contras with the larger bore are the ones that have range to low D? The smaller bore could be for contras that only go down to F or Gb. Or maybe there could be some difference in the bore of the straight-tube or paperclip body shapes. I have seen both shapes of Bb contras, but I have never thought about bore size. Interesting.

>I have an old (1950's) metal Leblanc Bb contra (range to
>written low D), and it definitely needs the wide bore mpc.
>Different brands of reed fit to varying degrees to different
>mpcs: contras don't seem to be nearly as standardized as the
>Bb soprano. I generally use Vandorens on mine, but am not
>quite satisfied yet.

I have a Selmer C* mpc for my Eb contra, and I have this one reed that is absolutely a perfect fit. It is a tad soft (it's a 2, and it's been used for quite some time) but I use it because it's the only reed I've found that really works. I have never been able to identify the brand, though. It's 3-1/4" long in the middle, 1/8" thick at the middle of the heel, 11/16" wide at the tip, and 5/8" wide at the heel. I don't think it was sanded down from anything. It has the strength number 2 imprinted in red, but the brand name has either worn off or was never on the reed (which I suspect might be the case). If I could only ID the brand, then I could finally find out what kind of reed it is that's best for my mpc. Any info on this? (I'll prolly post about this to Usenet.)

>The sax reeds most likely to fit are probably bass sax, but
>possibly baritone. I'll have to pull out my bari reeds
>and see how they fit.

Lemme know what you find out...

>BTW, you might be interested in our email list,
>Contrabass-L. Currently, I put it out by hand in digest
>form, several times a week (guaranteed spam-free). You can

Super-flailo-Kewl!!!:) Please subscribe me: jsharp@sirinet.net

Again, thanx for the info!:)


Jeff Sharp

Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:16:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jascha Hoffman <jascha@msri.org>


Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:34:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jascha Hoffman <jascha@msri.org>
Subject: The Thundering Reed


I've always been drawn to the sound of the bass clarinet. I've never played a horn before (piano, vibes and some informal bongos is the extent of my experience) but I'm taking it up this year, and playing in my high school orchestra. I just chanced upon your page, and I'm astounded and delighted that there's a real variety of big ass earth shaking winds (the octobass clarinet hasn't really sunk in yet, but I'm expecting some heart trouble when it does).

Could you give me some tips on low reed life in the Bay Area? I live in Berkeley? Who would be a good teacher to get me started? Should I start on the soprano clarinet and move down? Are there any method books I should look at? Who are, in your opinion, the best bass clarinetists of all time (I play mostly jazz, but all types of music interest me).

Where can I hear you play? Where can I hear a bass clarinet in the the Oakland/SF area at all? I look forward to hearing from you.

Jascha Hoffman


Welcome aboard!

My guess is that the best way to proceed is by taking lessons on the Bb soprano, but only because I've never heard of anyone starting clarinet on the bass. I live just over the hill from you, in Orinda, but I'm afraid I've never taken clarinet lessons out here. There is, however, a clarinet email list, so I pose the question there.

There are a number of orchestral works that have bass clarinet parts. For some reason Tchaikovsky sticks in my mind... Stravinsky's "Rite Of Spring" calls for TWO bass clarinets, if I remember right.

I play bass clarinet in the jazz band, when called for. Right now, I think we have two charts in the book that call for bass clarinet, and we unfortunately don't play them much.

There are a number of community bands and orchestras in the area that could undoubtedly use a bass clarinet (even a beginner). San Ramon is a bit of a drive from Berkeley, but has a good community band that meets Tuesday evenings. I've played and subbed there from time to time.

The bass clarinetist that leaps to mind is Eric Dolphy (alto sax, bass clarinet, and flute). Another "must hear" is "The Clarinet Family" by Hamiet Bluiett, which covers Eb soprano down to BBb contrabass (HB plays alto clarinet on this one). HB also has a few newer CDs on which he plays EEb contralto clarinet.


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