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Vol. 1, No. 22 23 July 1996

Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 02:18:42 -0400
From: TTeusc2202
Subject: Re: Contrabass-L No. 21

I have two very small responses to the latest digest.

First: I am in favor of keeping this list as a digest. I have been on other listservs in the past that I eventually decided to unsubscribe to because they were loaded with far too much spam.

Second: As far as finding reeds for a rather large contrabass clarinet, I would think that it would be beneficial to learn how to make reeds on your own. I know that this can be tedious. I have not yet mastered this art, but for specialty reeds like that, it can be difficult to convince manufacturers to distribute such oddities. I work as a band instrument technician and am somewhat familiar with the way some of those people think. To them, it is not worth making anything that they don't believe will sell. They are generally not concerned with how wonderful some of those more rare instruments are. They usually are only concerned with the needs of the mainstream. If you learn to make your own reeds, you need to be able to find where to get cane big enough to make the reeds out of. I will look in to sources of finding cane to see if that is possible. The other advantage to making your own reeds is, with practice, you learn to make reeds to your own specifications. Of course, those of you who are double reed musicians know more about this than I do. Anyway I have mostly just rambled on for awhile, but I feel that what I have written is food for thought.

Trevor N. Teuscher

And now, the latest from Usenet:

Selmer Mark 6 BASS Saxophone
Serial#95000 Great Vintage!
In XLNT condition.
Serious inquiries only!
"Serious inquiries" indeed!

From: Francis Firth
Subject: Saxophone ochestras
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 96 08:52:00 BST


I've just come across a new CD on the Bella Musica label by the Austrian Saxophone Orchestra. I haven't seen it but according to the UK suppliers it includes saxes from sopranino down to contrabass. Most of the repertoire on the CD sounded pretty modern but I'll have to wait until I get the CD (I shall be ordering this week) to see whether they are original compositions or arrangements.

P.S. Any joy with the Hustis on Crystal yet?



Would this be "Austria Saxophon Orchester" Antes Edition (BM-CD 31.9004)? There is no date indication on the disc or packaging, not even a proper copyright notice. I ran across this at Tower Records last Friday after dropping my daughter off at Flute Camp, and snatched it up. The only English on the case says

"An ensemble that Adolphe Sax could only dream of! From the double-bass sax to the tiny sopranino, all the stops are pulled out here. And the music, light-hearted for the most part, sweeps us along with it, in a rapid march with fanfares and wonderful cantilenas."
The German, Italian, and French versions of the same blurb all indicate a contrabass sax where the English says double-bass. However, a close examination of the instruments listed for each track seems to indicate that the contra isn't used on any of the selections. The roster inside lists players for sopranino through bass, but no lower. Still, it is still a nice disc to listen to.

At the same time, I found another disc by Roscoe Mitchell that includes G. Oshita playing contrabass sarrusophone. The disc is called "Four Compositions" (I think he's following the tradition of Anthony Braxton), and has compositions scored for woodwind quintet amongst other things. The fourth track calls for bass sax and contrabass sarrusophone, along with tenor voice and one other instrument (sorry, forget which at the moment). Unfortunately, the disc is so defective that it was entirely unplayable. Sigh....

While there (OK, this was kind of a shopping spree...) I found "Orchestre Francais de Flutes" by Pierre-Yves Artaud, and picked it up hoping that it had more of his octobass flute. The entire liner notes are in French: if I ever end up in France, it will be interesting to see how quickly I get lost and starve. The word "la flute octobasse" does appear, but I can't tell if it is used on the disc, or is just a reference to the instrument PYA owns. The end of the notes says:

"Composition de l'orchestre:
flute soliste (prenant le piccolo) et 6 quatuors de flutistes;
flutes 1 a 8 (baissees d 1/4 de ton) prenant le piccolo
flutes 9 a 12 (prenant le piccolo)
flutes 13 a 16
flutes 17 a 20 (prenant la flute alto en sol)
flutes 21 a 24 (prenant la flute basse en ut)."
I suspect that this is the "orchestre" used throughout the disc, but will have to listen carefully for anything below that second space C.


Author: Francis Firth
Date: 7/23/96 4:57 PM
Subject: Sax Orchestra


it seems that I was misinformed about the Austrian Saxophone orchestra CD. I saw a copy in a shop today and it only goes down to the bass (some disappointment but at least the repertoire on it looks interesting). So I'll have to wait until you have time to send the Rascher CD.

How's the moving house going or have you not started yet?

How are the Sarrusophones? Playing well. Do you have the fingering chart for E Flat Contra from Double Reed magazine of a few years back? Also did you know that there is a composition for E Flat Contra and percussion called The Golden Bubble by the American composer Barney Childs?

I'm off on a 4-week holiday from Friday (26th) but still wish to receive the contrabass-l while I'm away (my mailer will cope with at least up to 100 messages).



We're officially putting the house on the market today. As I type this, hundreds of real estate agents are supposedly tramping through our house, making note of every feature, real or imagined.

I don't have the old Doublereed fingering chart, but I think I've figured it out (at least up to high D). If the fingering chart has any altissimo fingerings (into the third octave), I'd be very interested. I plan to drag the EEb into the first jazz ensemble rehearsal after its repadded, and play my bari sax solos on it. We have an arrangement of "Paper Moon" done as a bari feature that I think will work just fine. However, bari goes up to high F, another minor third above the D that the sarrusophone is equipped for.

I'd be interested in any additional info on the Barney Childs piece. Might even work it up.....

Enjoy your vacation!


Author: (Hirsch, Scott )
Date: 7/22/96 9:53 PM
Subject: web newsgroup option

Hi Grant:

I was going to mention there are a few option for your list. One that you may not have considered it the newsgroup software for the WWW. If you want details, I can provide them. It would restict those who don't have web access, but that is likely to be few as the web seems to be taking over. I predict that web newsgroups will become more popular in the coming year, you won't have to leave your browser which is an advantage to many.

If it is of any help, I could perhaps arrange an account on the WindWorld server, (at my expense), to support your list, as I think is a good idea. You may have these services already, but I would be happy to look into it further, if it should interest you enough to want me to investigate.


Scott Hirsch
1513 Old CC Rd., Colville, WA 99114 Phone: 509 935-4875
windworld@plix.com http://www.windworld.com


Thanks very much for the offer: I may take you up on it. The problem is that I have a terrible case of SGS ("stubborn guy syndrome"), and can't stand to leave a problem that I haven't wrestled completely to the ground (or vice versa) ;-) That said, it may well be easier to host from your site. As you have your own domain name, you should be able to set up email aliases easily. Then, it should just be a question of what your ISP would charge to set up the mailing list (should be a minimal charge, if anything, I would hope). Would you let me know what they would charge to set up a "no frills" list? I've checke with my ISP (CRL): they don't really like lists, and provide no software or support for them. (I didn't imagine I'd ever set up a list when I signed on.)

I've seen web-based news groups, and generally haven't liked them much. It seems to me that the web browsers are really well-suited for news group browsing (of course, that could change 20 minutes from now). The main problem, though, is that one has to log in and look at them. I like the way email operates: you turn on your computer, and there it is. Still, it is a definite possibility, particularly as the software improves.



At 11:02 PM 7/22/96 -0400:
From: Alan and Francine Mandel
Subject: Re: Contrabass-L No. 21

Grant--Contrabass Clarinet reeds-- Vandoren has them, should be able to order through any music store. If not--contact me. Alan ;}

Hope to hear from you soon!

Alan Mandel


(Visit my new homepage!



The problem (at least as explained to me) is that the Linton mpc is so wide that a regular contra reed doesn't reach both rails (misses by 1/8" on each side). This is one mutha of a mpc!


Grant Green
Just filling in on sarrusophone.......


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