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From: "Tom Izzo"
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:49:34 -0500
Subject: Re: [CB] End of Survey


Grant wrote:

> >.  I'm still trying to find out what a dopplerphone is...
> > >
I replied:

> >A Dopplerphone is a variation in the Horn family, The valves are usually
> >pistons, tho some rotary models exist.
> >It is played by the right hand (as oppsed to the left hand as in the F
> >Horn).
And Spencer asked:

> How big is it?  If it's about 10-12" in diameter and basically looks like a
> mini frenchhorn, I know someone who owns one.  He bought it in either
> Germany or Austria a little over 4 years ago just before out Junior year in
> High School.

Actually, I erred. I answered under the assumption of a mishearing or
mispelling of the original question. I thought the questioner queried of a
"Dopplehorn". That is similar to a circ ular Mellophonium (a variation of
Horn). "Dopplerphone" sounds like something used in weather prognosticating,
as the "doppler" radar, or doppler  "effect" in physics, is a sound
What most people call a "French Horn" is a German instrument, French doesn't
refer to language or Nationality, but rather part of a much longer
expression misused over time, just as "that unusual little automobile that's
in Morris' Garage", became the "MG".

The Dopplephone of which I referring, and the circular Mellphone,
Mellophonium, circular Alto Horns, etc are closer to a "French Horn" than
the Orchestral Horn referred to as such by almost everyone, except of
course, Hornists.



Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:05:10 -0700
From: Grant Green
Subject: [CB] Harp FS?

Here's a curiosity: someone has listed a Lyon & Healy concert harp on
eBay... with an opening price of $1,000,000.  Wonder if they'll get
many bids...


Grant Green
Professional Fool ->

Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:22:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: engelbrecht-wiggans richard
Subject: [CB] atlantic city organ (fwd)


Assuming that I'm not the only one on this mailing list
always wanted to have their own pipe organ but ended up
settling for something as mundane as a contra bass clarinet,
here is a piece from about
the great Atlantic City pipe organ with its 64 foot (about
8 cps) low C pipe.


Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans, U of Illinois, Champaign, Illinois
 (217) 333-1088

---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Subject: Re: Orchestra tuning to instrument other than oboe?
>Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 02:49:20 GMT

"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:

> <snip>
> It is said that Virgil Fox once made an album at Atlantic City, "Bach on
> the Biggest." I could never find any evidence of it, but I had the story
> twice, independently.
> Peter T. Daniels

Well, here's definite confirmation for most of this story, anyway.  The
recording of the great organ at Atlantic City Conv. Hall, "Bach on the
Biggest," was made,  not by Virgil Fox but by Robert Elmore.  It is of the
'Toccata and Fugue in D minor, Wachet Auf! - In Dulci Jubilo,  and Toccata,
Adagio and Fugue in C, and was recorded Nov. 23, 1956 by Mercury (MG50127 mono
and later SR90127 stereo).  Referring to my 'Library of Very Obscure Vinyl' to
check it out, I find this information, written in 1956.  I quote exactly as
written from the back cover notes:   ( Some of this info seems so fantastical
it could be taken as if I'm making it up, but believe me, I'm not!)   quote:

    "The Atlantic City Convention Hall organ contains seven manuals and 1,250
stops, and can produce the greatest volume of sound ever heard on a single
instrument, equal to the combined volume of twenty-five brass bands. A total
of 33,000 speaking pipes are connected to the console by means of electric
wiring that could go around the earth five and one half times at the equator.
The largest pipe in the organ is also the largest pipe in the world:  the low
'C' of the 64-foot Diaphone Profunda.  The pipe is 10 inches square at the
base and 36 inches square at the top. It was cut from a 785-yr. old Oregon fir
tree.  The twelve pipes that make up the lower octave of this stop contain
over 10,000 feet of lumber (a total of 225,000 feet of lumber was used in the
entire construction).  Since the low 'C' vibrates only eight times per second,
the tone is felt rather than heard, but it supplies a solid foundation for the
entire Pedal Organ.  The smallest pipe is a quarter of an inch long and its
vibration frequency is above 14,000 per second.
    The organ pipes are located in eight grill-screened chambers.  The
electrical relays and other mechanisms occupy an additional twelve rooms.
Eight motors with a combined total of 395 H.P. drive the great blowers that
supply the wind to the pipes--a far cry from the days when man power was
employed to operate the bellows, one man to each pair of bellows. (Even in the
fourteenth century, organs required a prodigious amount of wind; the old organ
at Halberstadt, Germany necessitated twenty-four pairs of bellows.)
    The Atlantic City organ comprises 455 ranks of pipes, the number in each
rank varying from 32 in the pedal to 61-121 on the manuals.  Special
electrical mechanisms for controlling the stops had to be invented because of
their great number; these included remote controls, relay controls,
combination actions and pneumatic actions.  The huge organ was build by
Midmer-Losh, Inc., of Merrick, L.I."
      and ect.ect.....


Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 22:14:34 -0400
From: michael c grogg
Subject: [CB] Harp FS?

Only if they take off at least 2 or 3 zeros.  $10,000 is pushing it,
$1,000 would generate some interest.



On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:05:10 -0700 Grant Green writes:

> Here's a curiosity: someone has listed a Lyon & Healy concert harp on
> eBay... with an opening price of $1,000,000.  Wonder if they'll get  many bids...

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From: Heliconman
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 00:41:22 EDT
Subject: Re: [CB] Harp FS?

In a message dated 8/18/00 7:02:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gdgreen writes:

<< Here's a curiosity: someone has listed a Lyon & Healy concert harp on
 eBay... with an opening price of $1,000,000.  Wonder if they'll get
 many bids...
 Grant >>

Looks like St. Peter must have gotten a new axe, man!
Or maybe it belonged to Harpo Marx? >>HONK! HONK! <<
Otherwise, forget it, man! A harpist could never get enough gigs to pay for
And Donald Trump just doesn't seem the type!
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