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From: LeliaLoban@aol.com
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:02:57 EST
Subject: [CB] Question for Lelia
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comJim Katz wrote,
>Hey, if you don't play these things in an orchestra or amateur groups, what
do you do with them, anyhow (If this is too personal a question, or police
attention may be drawn by your answer, don't feel obligated....)>I employ them in abominable rituals to call unspeakable horrors forth from
the frozen depths of the space-time continuum. The unspeakable horrors don't
always come when they're called, but maybe with a little more practice....Ia! Cthulhu f'tagn!
Lelia
(rhymes with "necrophilia")
---------------------------------------------------------From: "Dr Guy Grant" <guygrant@tassie.net.au>
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:13:38 +1100
Subject: RE: [CB] DIDJERIDU + BASS CLARINET
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comGday
Well well well Bernard. I taught both Prof Henri Bok (bass clarinet, U of
Rotterdam) and Prof Miguel Bernat (marimba, U of Rotterdam) how to play the
didjeridu. They are members of the Australian Didjeridu Association. Henri
and I had a great time jamming bass clarinet (his with a wooden bell) and
didjeridu. Henri has also written a bilingual book on playing the bass
clarinet and played bass saxophone with the Selmer Saxophone Quartet. You
should listen to some of Trance Mission's CD eg "Trance Mission" or "Head
Light" to hear just how good a combination of various clarinets and
didjeridu and other ethnic instruments can sound. And your clarinets where
did they come from? What primitive instruments? Armenian mey or duduk?
Correct...you don't have to listen to didjeridu...and it's quite obvious you
haven't. Hmmm...5 minutes and you've heard all the sounds. No doubt you do
continuous blowing on your clarinet but have you even attempted to play a
didjeridu?
A didjeridu is an aerophone and many similar instruments exist throughout
the world eg Tibetan rag-dun, Haitian vaccine, Venezualan cana, Irish bronze
horns and even the shofar. I understand that in Southern India elephants
trunks were played and in Benin hollowed out elephant tusks also.
"Peter and the Wolf" (classical or rock versions) is a great way of teaching
the sounds of the various instruments. Didjeridu players can tell stories
too. The didjeridu can be made to imitate many animals' sounds...now that's
creative.Dr Guy Grant (who also plays flute, soprano, alto and baritone saxes, and
Electronic Wind Instrument and about 140 ethnic wind instruments).-----Original Message-----
This is just my personal opinion but I think the Digerdo is the most
overrated instrument in the world. If you listen to one for five minuets you
have heard it's entire repertoire and in my option there is no reason to
ever listen to one ever again.It amazes me that some people think that primitive instruments are "
better " than highly developed instruments. When I play my clarinets I
have the control and full chromatic range to express exactly what I want to
say musically. My creativity is not constrained by the limitations of the
instrument. primitive instruments also have a limited range so it is very
difficult to play what I want to play on them as you run out of notes.While we are at it I think a group of people with drums are a terrible
thing. They just go on and on without any merit to what they are doing. Its
ok for them; if you are making the noise it is much more bearable than if you
are just listening. I know there are some professional groups who perform
with drums and are very good I do not mean them, its the people who get
together at parties who can't play anything else who I am talking about.I must point out that just because I don't like something it doesn't
necessarily mean it is bad and if the people who play digerdoos and other
primitive instruments enjoy playing them they should continue doing so. I
have no right and I wouldn't seek to stop them doing what they enjoy. I just
won't stick around to listen to them.P.S. is it really so much trouble to reach for the shift key when you type
the letter I.Bernard Jacobs
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From: "Musicstudents.com" <jonsmith@access1.net>
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:37:47 -0800
Subject: Re: [CB] slide digideroo
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comI just saw a slide digideroo in the catalogue of International Music Supply
(800) 762-1116
Jonathan
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From: Heliconman@aol.com
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 09:59:39 EST
Subject: Re: [CB] DIDJERIDU + BASS CLARINET
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comIn a message dated 03/19/2000 2:12:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, guygrant@tassie.net.au writes:
<< Hmmm...5 minutes and you've heard all the sounds. No doubt you do
continuous blowing on your clarinet but have you even attempted to play a
didjeridu? >>Nawww! Look carefully! He said 5 "minuets"! Those minuets for dijerdu are
horribly written. At least that's what -i- think!
Removing tongue from cheek...
HelIconman
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 22:42:04 -0500
From: michael c grogg <mgrogg@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [CB] dideridoo???
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
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*// Sunday morning tongue in cheek mode set on//*
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This is just my personal opinion but I think the Clarinet is the
most overrated instrument in the world. If you listen to one for five
minuets you have heard it's entire repertoire of squeaks and honks and squawks
and in my option there is no reason to ever listen to one ever again.
It is a well unknown fact that the chief cause of burnout among school
band directors is listening to the infernal racket produced by the
clarinet section.
It amazes me that some people think that clarinets are better than primitive instruments.
When I play my natural horn or other early instruments I am far more in
touch with the music, and what it takes to make music, than when I have
an instrument with a bazillion keys to push to achieve the correct note.
It never ceases to amaze me how clarinet players can go out and pay
hundreds if not thousands of dollars and then spend infinite time droning
on and on complaining that their Hoffnung contrabass clarinet is great
except that the split G# altisimo key doesn't play in tune, and everytime
the instrument is disassembled it goes out of adjustment.They should go down to Home depot and buy the supplies to build a didge,
or other "primitive" instrument, go home and build it, then lock the
clarinet collection in the closet for at least a month and learn to play
music without the constraints of remembering what fingering is needed for
what note. I have learned far more about music on a natural horn than I
have on a valved horn.To keep this contrabass list relevant, the didge supplies are just up the
aisle from the contrabass hosaphone supplies. And it you like, you can
get some extra fittings and build a paperclip contrabass didge. :-)Anyone bringing a clarinet to a drum circle would be most unwelcome
unless they are bringing it as firewood, but make sure it is a wooden
one, and not one of the plastic clarinets as they smell really bad when
they burn.I must point out that just because I don't like something it
doesn't necessarily mean it is bad and if the people who play clarinets and
other primitive instruments enjoy playing them they should continue doing
so. I have no right and I wouldn't seek to stop them doing what they
enjoy. I just won't stick around to listen to them.----------------------------------------------------------------------
*//Tongue in cheek mode set off//*
----------------------------------------------------------------------Our primary concern as musicians and de facto educators, is to promote
music, at any level. Anyone who limits themselves to only one kind of
music is just that, limited.Reach out and explore. I am a brass player, I play many of the brass
family, I also have started exploring by building my own brass
instruments. I also have played in the woodwinds, both modern bassoon,
contrabassoon, flute and sax, as well as "primitive recorders, krummhorns
and rauschefife". I also play some of the strings, both bowed and
plucked, and there are times when drums have an urgency. (Speaking of
that, when I was in school I wrote a sonata for Saxophone quartet and
Percussionists. The sax players were enthusiastic until they realized
that the Saxophones were being played as percussive instruments. The
section with the power saw in the finale is what really drove them over
the edge. Maybe I could rescore it for quartet of clarinets instead).-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Disclaimer*This tome was written to irritate one narrow minded person only. With
the high cost of gasoline right now, there is no need for the rest of you
to fuel up your flame throwers. Have a good weekend.Michael Grogg
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---------------------------------------------------------From: MusicDayDream@aol.com
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:33:16 EST
Subject: Re: [CB] dideridoo???
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
Michael Grogg------ RIGHT ON!!!!peace n love
dana
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