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From: "Jay Easton" <>
Subject: eppelsheim tubax contra
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:37:33 -0800
Eppelsheim?  Do you have any additional information?  I don't recall hearing about that one before.



There's a photo at

Strange, eh?  Looks like a baritone mouthpiece.  When I inquired at that site (Saxofoonwinkel, the Netherlands) for info they sent me this reply:

Hello Jay

The tubax is made by hand one at the time
we don't have them in our shop and I don't know what it cost
You can contact Benedikt Eppelsheim
in Munchen / Germany
Tel 0049 8929163889
Paul Kortenhorst

I read somewhere that they sell for about half the price of the LA Sax/Orsi horns.
If you follow up on this, I'd love to know what you find out.
Regards, Jay


Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:43:45 -0700
From: Grant Green <>
Subject: Professional Fools

I've finally managed to upload a few songs in their entirety.  Anyone who's interested can find them at MP3 ( So far, I've uploaded the two most popular (at least, my kids don't run screaming when we play this...):

Closest thing to a contrabass instrument on either track is my bass guitar - these were written and recorded years before I'd managed to find anything interesting.  However, I intend to insert a few
instruments more relevant to the list in future works.  On Bananas, Dave sings, along with a track of flute and acoustic guitar, while I play bass, classical guitar, and the rest of the flutes.  On Thumpin' Lime, Dave sings and plays 12 string guitar (and a track of flute in the deep background), while I play bass, bari sax, and Fender Rhodes.

The songs are also collected at the Contrabass Portal (, where I plan to include things that are more experimental, instrument demonstrations, etc.  If anyone has stuff they'd like to contribute, please let me know.



Grant Green  

Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:13:37 -0700
From: Grant Green <>
Subject: Re: eppelsheim tubax contra

>There's a photo at

There's another photo at the bottom of, which also gives one an idea of the size of the instrument.  It looks to me like it may have the bore length of a contrabassoon.  The bore diameter is certainly narrower than a saxophone, and appears even narrower than a contrabass sarrusophone (although the leadpipe is wider than a contra bocal).  It would be *very* interesting to hear one played...

Thanks for the info!


Grant Green  

Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 22:55:31 EST
Subject: Bas Nachtingal

    I'm performing Bas Nachtigall by Erwin Schulhoff in Olympia, WA on Feb 19
at the Olympia Performing Arts Center.  The concert consists of so-called
degenerate music ( as denoted by the Nazis ).  For those who don't know the
piece it is in 3 movements and was written in 1922 for unaccompanied
contrabassoon.  I've been practicing it on both my Heckel and my Wolf, but
won't know which I'll use until I try it in the hall!!  Michel Jolivet

Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 09:09:03 -0800 (PST)
From: LynnEttte Mueller <>
Subject: Renaissance Instruments

I hope one of you can help my husband via me.  He's currently become
fasciated with Renaissance Instruments, specifically the Dulcian and
Sordune.  Now this may not sound too strange to anyone but me yet it is
because my husband is musically declined (I'm changing some of the words
in his note he asked me to submit here, but he did put that).

He was wondering if anyone has any information or knows where to get
information (he's done a lot of searching on the WEB, as have I) on the
history, design, construction, (basically any type of information) on
either the Dulcian or the Sordune.

Many thanks in advance.

LynnEtte Mueller

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Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 15:14:52 EST
Subject: Re: Renaissance Instruments

If you want information on the construction of either of those, the early
music shop ( I think has a kit and sell the plans and
construction notes separately. I'm afraid I know little more but try the or the boards with the same post. People there
have always been useful to me.


From: "Jack Silver" <>
Subject: Re: contrabass saxophone
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 15:16:48 -0500

I think Scott Robinsons CB sax is labeled "Stowasser".

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From: Grant Green <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: contrabass saxophone

> I think Scott Robinson's contra is a Keilwerth.

Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 15:26:53 -0500
From: Topper <>
Subject: Re: Renaissance Instruments


I'm not sure if this information will lead to any assistance regarding this
subject. There is a newsgroup which seems as it might be involved with this
in the "aly + music + renaissance" newsgroup search category. I am sorry I
could not be of further help.

        Leo G.
                (Not related to Kenny)
Not actually THE Leo G. Carroll But I consider myself lucky to be a "Spirit
as the #1 Ingredient: | Also: See which
sax Bill Clinton Used in the oval office:


Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 04:48:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Renaissance Instruments
From: michael c grogg <>

>I hope one of you can help my husband via me.  He's currently become
>fasciated with Renaissance Instruments, specifically the Dulcian and
>Sordune.  Now this may not sound too strange to anyone but me yet it

Look for a copy of  "The Amateur Wind Instrument Maker" by Trevor
Robinson, University of Massachusetts Press, Copyright 1973.  Many public
libraries should have this book.

It has workable plans and instructions for building a Crumhorn, leave out
the part about bending the crook and you pretty much have a Dulcian.

I have found that bag pipe reeds work well for both Dulcian and Crumhorn.

Sorry I can't offer any ideas on the Sordune.

Michael Grogg

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