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From: "Aaron Rabushka" <arabushk@cowtown.net>
Subject: Re: Cylindrical brass
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:59:29 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comTom,
Thanx. I don't know that I've ever seen/heard an ensemble that features that
layout. At IU the "brass band" was basically a catch-all for brass players
who couldn't qualify for anything else.I haven't forgotten to send you my sonata. Owing to my financial situation
at the moment I will probably send you a funky (partly) faded copy, and then
produce a good one if you think it's something you'd like to pursue.Yours truly,
Aaron J. Rabushka
arabushk@cowtown.net
http://www.cowtown.net/users/arabushk/
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From: Heliconman@aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:57:46 EDT
Subject: Re: Cylindrical brass
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comIn a message dated 10/05/1999 6:11:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jeanvaljean@ntsource.com writes:> Aaron,
> > Is there a reference (preferably on-line) that lists the "standard British
> > brass band instrumentation" that you've-all been mentioning?
>
> Easy enough to type up:
>
> 1-Eb Cornet
> 4-1st Bb Cornets (2 labeled as Solo), parts can be unison or split 2, 3 or 4
> ways)
> 2-2nd Bb Cornets
> 2 3rd Bb Cornets
> 1-Bb Flugelhorn
> 1-Solo Eb Horn (called Alto in US, Tenor Hn in England)
> 1-1st Eb Horn
> 1-2nd-Eb Horn
> 1-1st Bb Baritone Hn
> 1-2nd Bb Baritone Horn
> 2-Euphonium (part divides in places)
> 1-1st Bb Tenor Trombone
> 1-2nd Bb Tenor Trombone
> 1-Bass Trombone
> 2-Eb Tubas
> 2-BBb Tubas
> 1-Timpani
> 1-Kit (Drum set)
> 1-Percussion (may be 1 or 2 players)
>
> The Timpani is always in Bass Clef except in the score, where it is
> sometimes in Bb Treble Clef.
> The Bass Trombone is in Bass clef 90% of the time, occasionally in Bb
> Treble Clef
> The 2 Tenor Trombones are in Bb Treble Clef 98.9% of the time, occasionally
> in Tenor Clef.
> The Eb Cornet ("Soprano" in UK, sometimes called "Sopranino" in US),
> 3 Eb Horns & both Eb Tubas are written in Eb Treble Clef.
> All of the Cornets, the Flugel, both Baritones, both Euphonia, & both Bb
> Tubas are written in Bb Treble Clef.
> Mallets are in C Treble Clef.
>
> In Wind Ensembles & Concert Bands substitutes are often used, but in Brass
> Bands, they are not.
> There is no substitution of Trumpet for Cornet, no substitution of Bar for
> Euph or vice versa.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> TomI saw a lot of reference to "repiano cornet" on the British brass band list
and never figured out what they were. Any idea???
Heli
---------------------------------------------------------From: "Mr. Josh" <themanfromutopia@hotmail.com>
Subject: Contrajazz
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 00:07:45 GMT
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comHave any of you ever thought about contrabasses in jazz. I know it isn't
the current fad to actually discuss contrabasses on this list, but who knows.
Imagine, a jazz clarinet or saxophone quire, going from sopranino to
octocontrabass. Especially with a Large String Bass and a piano equipped
with 5 extra pedals of some sort. The extra pedals would swing bars into
place under the strings, so that the piano could play harmonics.
By the way, how do you finger a cornet, I just bought one a few days ago,
and I need to learn to play it for a gig in 3 months. This is my first
brass instrument, so help would be appreciated.
I say, you all have been sending a lot of email lately, I have recieved well
over 200 in the last week.
Also, what is it's range, I am searching for low notes, but it is tricky,
because I don't know if my embouchoure is the reason that I produce no sound
when buzzing slowly.______________________________________________________
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---------------------------------------------------------From: "Aaron Rabushka" <arabushk@cowtown.net>
Subject: Re: Cylindrical brass
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 19:18:26 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com"Ripieno" in the context of instrumental ensembles usually refers to
instruments that play with several players on a part. For example, in
Corelli's op. 6. Concerti Grossi the two solo violins are labelled as such,
and the larger group of violins in the supporting ensemble are called
"violini di ripieno." "Ripieno" is Italian for (roughly) "filling."Aaron J. Rabushka
arabushk@cowtown.net
http://www.cowtown.net/users/arabushk/
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From: "Mr. Josh" <themanfromutopia@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Why did the sarrusophone become unpopular?
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 00:25:31 GMT
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comJesus, Adam, no wonder you're so pissed off. Are you living up in
Snohomish, or is that someone else. And are you sure you mean Hustler??
Penthouse, maybe, but what kind of a hick town are you living in. There is
of course Amazon, they will sell you most any book. I know what you mean
about being in a school band, though, I am too, on string bass and piano.
By the way, is Grant Green a fan of Dr. Octagon, that would be surprising in
this music circle, but I seem to remember something?> The fact that I'm in a school band does not make me
>bad. I'm actually quite proficient and very far from a
>beginner. It is simply that our band has an
>overabundance of bad sax players.
> Also, there's no reason to assume that I'm
>incompetent because of my age. I happen to be
>exceptionally insightful compared to the majority of
>students who are unimaginably stupid.
> And, why say that my parents would not allow me to
>have books on orchestration? Yes, I have read none of
>the reccomended books. But that is not, as Sarah
>claims, because my parents won't let me. It's because
>I live in a town where the "articles" in Hustler
>magazine are considered to be fine literature, thus
>making the above books unavailable.
>
>-Adam______________________________________________________
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---------------------------------------------------------From: "Tom Izzo" <jeanvaljean@ntsource.com>
Subject: Re: Cylindrical brass
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:19:52 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comOoops, you are correct, I forgot that one.
> I saw a lot of reference to "repiano cornet" on the British brass band list
> and never figured out what they were. Any idea???Yes the Repieno (no "a") is another single (no doubling part) of a Bb
Cornet. It's used to reenforce the various meledy lines sometimes doubling
the Eb Cornet down an octave, other times, bolstering the 2nd & 3rd Cornets,
& other times 8va up from the Flugel, or First Eb Horn.So yes the line-up is:
1-Eb Cornet
4-Bb Cornet 1
2-Bb Cornet 2
2-Bb Cornet 3
1-Bb Cornet (Repieno)
1-Bb Flugelhorn
1-Solo Eb Horn
1-1st Eb Horn
1-2nd Eb Horn
1-1st Bb Baritone Horn
1-2nd Bb Baritone Horn
2-Euphonia
1-1st Bb Tenor Trombone
1-2nd Bb Tenor Trombone
1-Bass Trombone
2-Eb Tubas
2-Bb Tubas
1-Timpani
1-Kit
1 or 2 Percussion> Heli
>Thanks for the reminder.
Tom
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From: Heliconman@aol.com
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:25:27 EDT
Subject: Re: Cylindrical brass
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comIn a message dated 10/06/1999 12:20:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jeanvaljean@ntsource.com writes:> Yes the Repieno (no "a") is another single (no doubling part) of a Bb
> Cornet. It's used to reinforce the various melody lines sometimes doubling
> the Eb Cornet down an octave, other times, bolstering the 2nd & 3rd Cornets,
> & other times 8va up from the Flugel, or First Eb Horn.
>
> So yes the line-up is:
> 1-Eb Cornet
> 4-Bb Cornet 1
> 2-Bb Cornet 2
> 2-Bb Cornet 3
> 1-Bb Cornet (Repieno)
> 1-Bb Flugelhorn
> 1-Solo Eb Horn
> 1-1st Eb Horn
> 1-2nd Eb Horn
> 1-1st Bb Baritone Horn
> 1-2nd Bb Baritone Horn
> 2-Euphonia
> 1-1st Bb Tenor Trombone
> 1-2nd Bb Tenor Trombone
> 1-Bass Trombone
> 2-Eb Tubas
> 2-Bb Tubas
> 1-Timpani
> 1-Kit
> 1 or 2 Percussion
>
Ahhhh! Mystery solved at long last!! But it seems lots of Brits (at least on
the brass band list) seem to think it's spelled "repiano".
Whatever....correction noted.
Thanks!
Heliconman---------------------------------------------------------
From: "Tom Izzo" <jeanvaljean@ntsource.com>
Subject: Re: Contrajazz
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:25:35 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com> Have any of you ever thought about contrabasses in jazz.
All the time.
I use my Contrabass Trombone in swing, bop & Dixieland,I know it isn't
> the current fad to actually discuss contrabasses on this list, but who
> knows.hahahahaha
Should be.,> Imagine, a jazz clarinet or saxophone quire,
Do you mean "choir"?
going from sopranino to
> octocontrabass. Especially with a Large String Bass and a piano equipped
> with 5 extra pedals of some sort. The extra pedals would swing bars into
> place under the strings, so that the piano could play harmonics.
> By the way, how do you finger a cornet, I just bought one a few days ago,Generally with the first three fingers of your right hand :-)
> and I need to learn to play it for a gig in 3 months. This is my first
> brass instrument, so help would be appreciated.
> I say, you all have been sending a lot of email lately, I have recieved well
> over 200 in the last week.
> Also, what is it's range, I am searching for low notes, but it is tricky,
> because I don't know if my embouchoure is the reason that I produce no sound
> when buzzing slowly.Lowest "normal" note on a Bb Cornet is the written F# below Treble clef (E concert).
The high note is only limited by the player.
The Eb Cornet would be a fourth higher in concert pitch but written as the same F#.
The C Cornet is at pitch. And the Alto Cornet is one octave below the Sopranino.
The A Cornet is rarely used, & then only in England.Tom
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From: lawrencejohns@webtv.net (lawrence johns)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:19:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Cylindrical brass
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comwhat about a valve trombone?
-Lawrence "Larry" E. Johns-
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From: "Tom Izzo" <jeanvaljean@ntsource.com>
Subject: Re: Cylindrical brass
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:55:04 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comLarry,
> what about a valve trombone?
What's your question about a Valve Trombone? It's still a cylindrically
bored instrument. When I say "Trombone", it can be a Valved model or a slide
model. A lot of Rossini's Operas were written with the Valve Trombone in
mind.
The Trombone's most distinguishing factor is its sound due to the way it's
wrapped (bent), not necessarily to a moving handslide, because of the models
known as "Valve" Trombones.Tom
(owner of three valve trombones
Eb Alto-3 piston valves
C Tenor-3 rotory valves
Bb Tenor-3 piston valves)
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:42:28 +0100 (BST)
From: Dafydd y garreg wen <mavnw@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Cylindrical brass
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Tom Izzo wrote:> Aaron,
> > Is there a reference (preferably on-line) that lists the "standard British
> > brass band instrumentation" that you've-all been mentioning?
> >
>
> Easy enough to type up:
>
> 1-Eb Cornet
> 4-1st Bb Cornets (2 labeled as Solo), parts can be unison or split 2, 3 or 4
> ways)No- it is 4 solo cornets, which can be divided as above.
There is also a repiano cornet(one of) which sits next to the 2nds and
3rds. A debate came up on the brass band list about this term a while ago.
The best answer seemed to be that the repiano was the 1st ripieno cornet
(using the term in the baroque sense), with the 2nds and 3rds being the
2nd and 3rd ripieno cornets. Salvation Army bands tend to label their
parts slightly differently anyway, preferring, if I remember correctly,
1st cornet to either solo or rep. They also have an extra trombone,
generally on the 1st part.> 2-2nd Bb Cornets
> 2 3rd Bb Cornets
> 1-Bb Flugelhorn
> 1-Solo Eb Horn (callec Alto in US, Tenor Hn in England)
> 1-1st Eb Horn
> 1-2nd-Eb Horn
> 1-1st Bb Baritone Hn
> 1-2nd Bb Baritone Horn
> 2-Euphonium (part divides in places)
> 1-1st Bb Tenor Trombone
> 1-2nd Bb Tenor Trombone
> 1-Bass Trombone
> 2-Eb Tubas
> 2-BBb Tubas
> 1-Timpani
> 1-Kit (Drum set)There has been a move in the last 30 years or so towards a more orchestral
style of percussion writing in the brass band. Not every piece has a
noxious kit part going chk chk chk chk all the way through:)> 1-Percussion (may be 1 or 2 players)
There are numerous examples which divide almost every part into individual
instruments -it's not just restricted to solo cornet and Euphonium.
>
> The Timpani is always in Bass Clef except in the score, where it is
> sometimes in Bb Treble Clef.
> The Bass Trombone is in Bass clef 90% of the time, occassionally in Bb
> Treble ClefMuch more rarely than that - I've never seen a piece without a bass clef
part included.> The 2 Tenor Trombones are in Bb Treble Clef 98.9% of the time, occassionally
> in Tenor Clef.Tenor clef in old scores (from the 40s and before).
> The Eb Cornet ("Soprano" in UK, sometimes called "Sopranino" in US),
> 3 Eb Horns & both Eb Tubas are written in Eb Treble Clef.
> All of the Cornets, the Flugel, both Baritones, both Euphonia, & both Bb
> Tubas are written in Bb Treble Clef.
> Mallets are in C Treble Clef.
>
> In Wind Ensembles & Concert Bands substitutes are often used, but in Brass
> Bands, they are not.
> There is no substitution of Trumpet for Cornet, no substitution of Bar for
> Euph or vice versa.Well, not in good bands with a full complement, anyway:)
Dave Taylor
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Tom
>
> > Aaron J. Rabushka
> > thinking that perhaps "Craftsman Sackbuts" sounds snappier that "Sears
> > Trombones"
> > arabushk@cowtown.net
> > http://www.cowtown.net/users/arabushk/---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:15:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adam Kent-Isaac <lokibassoon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Tubas in British Bands
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comI thought that the British orchestration always called
the tubas "Basses" and never "Tubas." I think the most
commonly used was the Eb Bass, and the F Bass in the
English bands.-Adam
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