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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:23:45 EDT
Subject: Help with Oboes.

I know they're aren't contrabass instruments, but could someone tell me in
what key are the Oboe D'Amore and the Musette (Piccolo Oboe).  Any help would
be aprreciated.

Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:56:42 EDT
Subject: Re: Help with Oboes.

The Oboe D'Amore is in A.  As far as I know the Oboe Mussette isn't a piccolo
oboe, but pitched lower than the oboe; in what key I'm not sure.  True
"piccolo" oboes exist in Eb (sometimes called the "military oboe") but are
rare.  You could also try and find one of the 15 Piccolo Heckelphones in F
that have been made.

Jon Carreira
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From: Mats 0ljare <>
Subject: Re: French pages
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:58:16 PDT

>The sudrophone was invented in 1893 by Francois Sudre (surprise!), and
>comprises a family of valved brass that have a vibrating membrane to
>amplify the sound (French patent 1892, #219518).  Would also change the
>timbre somewhat, I would think.  Sudre was born in 1844, worked with
>Hallary (the inventor of the ophicleide) from 1866, eventually buying him
>out, and died in 1912 in WWI.  At least, according to The New Langwill
>Index.  :-)

Sounds like a interesting thing.Are there any recordings available of it?

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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:00:28 EDT
Subject: Large Woodwind Ensamble (Warning Long and Pointless)

For some reason today i started planning a very large woodwind ensamble.  I
tried to give every group of woodwinds (Flutes, Clarinets, Double Reeds, and
Saxophones) a full range (from Sopranino to Subcontrabass).  But, in order to
do that i had to put in some rare instruments, some extinct, and even some
made-up ones.  Well, it consisted of 1 Piccolo, 2 Eb Soprano Flutes, 10
Concert Flutes, 2 Alto Flutes in G, 2 Bass Flutes, 1 Sub-Bass Flute in F, 1
Contrabass Flute (Rare), 1 Double Contrabass (Rare), 1 Double Subcontrabass
(Made-Up), 1 Ab Sopranino Clarinet, 2 Eb Clarinets, 10 Bb Clarinets, 2 Eb
Alto Clarinets, 2 Bb Bass Clarinets, 1 Eb Contra-Alto, 1 BBb Contrabass, and
1 BBBb Octocontrabass (Rare or Extinct), 1 Eb Piccolo Oboe (Rare), 3 Oboes, 1
Oboe D'Amore, 2 English Horns,  1 Heckelphone (Rare), 1 Quintbassoon in G
(Rare), 3 Bassoons, 2 Contrabassoons, 2 Subcontrabassoons (Extinct or
Made-Up), 1 Octocontrabassoon (Made-up and Completely Un-Feasable), 1 Bb Bass
Sarrusophone, 1 EEb Contrabass Sarrusophone, 1 Sopranino Sax, 1 Soprano Sax,
3 Alto Saxes, 2 Tenor Saxes, 1 Bari Sax, 1 Bass Sax, and 1 Contrabass Sax
(Rare).  Whew!  Well, i tried to have a larger Bass Section, while limiting
the number of Saxes. If anyone has any comments i'd love to hear 'em.  I know
there are people here that know alot more about these kinda things than i do.

Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:28:43 EDT
Subject: Re: Large Woodwind Ensamble (Warning Long and Pointless)

Sounds like an interesting thing you have there. I' limit the amount of rare
and made-up instruments, though. You'd never get it recorded!


Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:14:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adam Kent-Isaac <>
Subject: Re: Large Woodwind Ensamble (Warning Long and Pointless)

Well, I'd say a full orchestra with all instruments with all ranges
would be something like this.




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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:39:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Large Woodwind Ensamble (Warning Long and Pointless)

You forgot 17 Heckelphones and an accordion.

Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:12:32 EDT
Subject: Subcontrabassoon Scribble

Well, i was up late last night thinking about my last post and i started
doodling.  Well, i ended up drawing a Bassoon, Contrabassoon,
Subcontrabassoon, and an Octocontrabassoon.    I also scribbled each of their
lowest notes.  Complete with my made up COntrabass (E) and Subcontrabass (D)
key signature.  I also added a guy playying  a Octocontrabassoon suspended by
a crane.  Well, to make a short story shorter, here it is
Subcontrabassoonscribble.jpg for your amusement.

Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:17:11 EDT
Subject: Sorry

I forgot to put the full address to my Subcontrabassoon Scribbles.
Subcontrabassoonscribble.jpg.  Sorry

From: Michael Cogswell <>
Subject: RE: Large Woodwind Ensamble (Warning Long and Pointless)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:04:55 -0400

I think you seriously understaffed the clarinet section:

A more complete selection would include


Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:15:45 -0400
From: FranÚois Villon <>
Subject: Re: Large Woodwind Ensamble (Warning Long and Pointless)

Hey, add 17 Ab clarinets :-)


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