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From: LeliaLoban@aol.com
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:17:24 EDT
Subject: Re: stands
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comStuart wrote,
>>LOL, this is a joke. You need a stand to play the contralto AND bass
clarinet!? How tall/short/strong/weak/lazy are you? I'm not trying to mean or
anything, but there are bigger instruments (tuba/bass trombone/curved
contrabass clarinet/bass sax/the list goes on...) that I've never seen people
using stands on (except for Grant on curved Bb contra, but I play one
standless). My advice to you to toughen up and start supporting your
instrument :)>>Not trying to be mean? Excuse me? (Sorry about replying to a "dead" topic,
as you criticized someone else in another message, but I just picked up my
e-mail after returning from vacation. The trip ended with a 6-1/2 hr. flight
on TWA turning into a 23-1/2-hr. flight. Fortunately, I didn't schlep the
bass sax!) Glad to hear that you're tall enough and strong enough to play
large wind instruments without mechanical support, but, yes, believe it or
not, quite a few of us play bass instruments even though we'll never measure
up to your impressive standards of robustness. We're smaller than you, or
older than you, and/or we have small hands, arthritis, tendinitis, back
problems or whatever. Without the bass sax stand, I can't reach all the keys
and the mouthpiece at the same time while still supporting the weight of the
instrument. Does that make me so short, weak and lazy that I'm disqualified
from contrabass.com now? Should I crawl away and quit playing anything
bigger than a soprano clarinet? Maybe go sit in a nice little rocking chair
and squeal on a nice little penny whistle? And, BTW, what's it to ya?
What's the support stand or lack of it got to do with a person's
musicianship, anyway? Why's a support stand for the horn any different (or
any worse) than a chair for your butt?Lelia
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---------------------------------------------------------From: CoolStu67@aol.com
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 23:15:07 EDT
Subject: Re: stands
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comIn a message dated 6/5/99 9:18:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
LeliaLoban@AOL.com writes:<< Not trying to be mean? Excuse me? (Sorry about replying to a "dead" topic,
as you criticized someone else in another message, but I just picked up my
e-mail after returning from vacation. The trip ended with a 6-1/2 hr. flight
on TWA turning into a 23-1/2-hr. flight. Fortunately, I didn't schlep the
bass sax!) Glad to hear that you're tall enough and strong enough to play
large wind instruments without mechanical support, but, yes, believe it or
not, quite a few of us play bass instruments even though we'll never measure
up to your impressive standards of robustness. We're smaller than you, or
older than you, and/or we have small hands, arthritis, tendinitis, back
problems or whatever. Without the bass sax stand, I can't reach all the keys
and the mouthpiece at the same time while still supporting the weight of the
instrument. Does that make me so short, weak and lazy that I'm disqualified
from contrabass.com now? Should I crawl away and quit playing anything
bigger than a soprano clarinet? Maybe go sit in a nice little rocking chair
and squeal on a nice little penny whistle? And, BTW, what's it to ya?
What's the support stand or lack of it got to do with a person's
musicianship, anyway? Why's a support stand for the horn any different (or
any worse) than a chair for your butt?
>>The bass saxophone is a whole other instrument than a contra clarinet. Look
at it this way: solid metal, with bulky keys and a huge bell versus a long
tube of plastic with a small bell supported my a peg. My bass clarinet feels
virtually weightless when I the MP is in my mouth correctly and the peg is
positioned firmly on the ground. The same is true with the the contralto. As
long as you support the instrument with your mouth and peg, your hands should
be to play music. Hands shouldn't be support for the instrument anyways,
because if that was true you couldn't press the keys (and it would be
impossible to play open G on clarinet and open C# on sax). What's to me? The
fact that he posted a question makes it my territory. If I said, "I like
Yanagisawa saxophones" and somebody said "Yanagisawa saxes suck! Selmer
rules!" would that be unjust? No. The person would simply be expresses his/er
opinion. There is my opinion, and if you don't like it, don't worry about it.Sax
-Sax/Clarinet
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:37:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adam Kent-Isaac <lokibassoon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: stands
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comlokibassoon@yahoo.com
Well, regarding the topic of stands…
The contrabassoonist for my local Baroque Orchestra is a midget. He's
less then five feet tall…in fact i think he's about 4'5"! He also plays
the contrabass dulcian with no stand or anything, and he doesn't even
use a strap either. Thus it would be fair to say that your size really
has little to do with whether or not a stand is required to play a
large instrument. In fact, I have NEVER once in my entire life seen
anybody play anything with a stand. I always thought that the stand was
the place to put your instrument when you're not playing it.-Adam
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From: "Aaron Rabushka" <arabushk@cowtown.net>
Subject: Re: stands
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:51:33 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comHow much baroque repertoire do you play with a contrabassoon?
Aaron J. Rabushka
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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 23:14:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adam Kent-Isaac <lokibassoon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Sorry I just HAD to say this!
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comAdam Kent-Isaac
lokibassoon@yahoo.comNOTICE: This message is VERY long. Hang in there, you'll be happy after
you're done.Hey everyone. I'm sorry I'm going to do this, because I remember the
time when somebody emailed me saying that I put too many messages on
the List at once, but I've had a recent "Low instruments in popular
culture" update which I'm motivated to share with you!
- In the popular Capgom game, Resident Evil 2, a bass clarinet can be heard VERY faintly, when you are at the title screen and you select "load game" or "new game." A low voice will say "Resident Evil…Two" and in the background will be some "scary" music. A bass clarinet plays one long low note.
- In this same game, at the end of Leon's scenario A, when he's talking to Claire when they're riding the tram, a Heckelphone plays a long solo.
- AGAIN, in this SAME game, on Leon's scenario A, at the beginning, you go into this room with a dying policeman. After Leon says "I'm coming back for you!" the cop dies. Well when you go back to that room later in the game and there's blood all over everything ant the cop is turned into a zombie, you'll hear (I THINK) either a contralto clarinet or a contrabassoon. It's a pretty low instrument.
- In the opera "Salome" by Strauss, a contrabassoon plays when Jokanan goes to his room.
- In "Star Wars episode 1" you can see and hear one of Jar Jar Bink's people playing a low instrument during the big battle scene. He's up on top of the hill, I;m not sure what his instrument is, sounds a little like a contrabass clarinet.
- In the "Training Mode" of the Playstation game "Metal Gear Solid," you can hear a tuba or contrabassoon solo playing rather clearly behind the rest of the music.
- In the REALLY old, REALLY cheesy old Disney movie "Never Cry Wolf," which is obscure and I'd be surprised if you've ever heard of it, the main character Tyler actually is a bassoonist, and if you pay attention you'll notice a couple of times he'll play his bassoon. What's unrealistic is the fact that he's in Alaska, and by that time his bassoon would be frozen.
Enjoy!!!-Adam Kent-Isaac
lokibassoon@yahoo.com
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Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 09:29:39 +0000
From: Bob Thomas <thomas@usit.net>
Subject: Re: Sorry I just HAD to say this!
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
>
>Adam Kent-Isaac wrote:
>In the REALLY old, REALLY cheesy old Disney movie "Never Cry Wolf,"
>which is obscure and I'd be surprised if you've ever heard of it, the
>main character Tyler actually is a bassoonist, and if you pay attention
>you'll notice a couple of times he'll play his bassoon. What's
>unrealistic is the fact that he's in Alaska, and by that time his
>bassoon would be frozen.I love that movie. Don't think its cheesy at all.
Taking a bassoon to Alaska was only one of several impractical
things the guy did; the funniest being hauling cases of beer
in a canoe suspended from the airplane and finding it frozen
solid after landing.
The scene with Charles Martin Smith's character playing the
bassoon & listening to the wolves respond is really pretty
wonderful, I think.
Its directed by Carroll Ballard who also did the gorgeous
"Black Stallion", and this one's almost as nice.
Music by Mark Isham.
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Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 12:07:33 -0400
From: RJ Carpenter <emerald1@megsinet.net>
Subject: RE: Sorry I just HAD to say this!
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comI believe that the instrument being played in Star Wars episode 1 is a
digeredoo; though I could be mistaken. My second guess would have to be a
contra clarinet. If anyone has any other ideas; I'd love to hear them,
cause I've wondered that ever since I saw the movie Thursday after it came
out.
P.S.- In the scene with the giant fish; there is what sounds like either a
contrabass sarrusophone or contrabassoon that plays a few quick rumblings.
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